calling all jw lurkers:.
after the bible (i assume you all agree that it's a christian's single most important souce of information), what's the next most important publication?
how many of you agree that it's a concordance?
Farkel,
Leviticus 13 17 And the priest shall examine him; and indeed if the sore has turned white, then the priest shall pronounce him clean who has the sore. He is clean.
Just as a matter of interest, what did they think that meant?
Bang
Or was it the whole chapters you read?
Edited by - Bang on 8 July 2002 9:28:6
as i was exercising this morning i was thinking about my decision to step down as a ministerial servant and also to stop attending religious functions of any kind.
i've often felt that jws were somewhat flawed in their interpertation of the scriptures, but this morning it kind of hit me all at once that no 2 religions are going to have the exact same beliefs even though both religions might be using the same translation of the bible.
this disturbing fact raises quite a few thought provoking questions:.
Why would Satan be allowed to corrupt or alter God's word when there are honest people truly seeking to learn about God thru the bible?
That's close to the answer - try dropping the "honest" for a minute, and then consider, "what's so particularly honest about that?".
Why are there no miracles, prophets or divine influence in modern times the way it was in bible times?
There are, but those who seek for a sign aren't given one, except the sign of Jonah.
June 16, 2002. Padre Pio, an Italian Capuchin monk who died in 1968 - recognised by church. " Doctors never found a medical explanation for his bleeding hands and feet which never healed but never became infected." And you're welcome to say it's a lie.
If God really wants us to know him, why would it be so difficult for mankind to get a similar or correct understanding of his word the bible?
Like we could have a deal with Him? The One we say we love - look after, protect. I shouldn't even speak so much.
Bang
can everyone tell me the names that the wtbts calls people by?
and particularly anything that is meant to de-scribe others as condemned, such as spiritual fornicators and birdseed.
bang edited by - bang on 8 july 2002 4:36:29.
That's an interesting one - evil slave class. Not plainly Biblically derived though - more made up.
Bang
can everyone tell me the names that the wtbts calls people by?
and particularly anything that is meant to de-scribe others as condemned, such as spiritual fornicators and birdseed.
bang edited by - bang on 8 july 2002 4:36:29.
I'd simply like a list of those they have taken from the Bible and misused in their de-scriptions.
Bang
Thanks Sirona, Plmkrzy et al. and thanks hippie, I'll try to remember that they are people too, but truth can cut deep, it is a sword.
Edited by - Bang on 8 July 2002 8:25:28
<i>me & my girlfriend decided a long time ago(2 years) that we not having kids.
for reasons, but one of the reasons is because, we gonna wait till the next life(isaiah 65:17/new paradise earth), another reason is cause, we knoweth that the messiah will come back in our life time..... now that's hella strong faith, we have faith that the final destruction/peace & safety/armageddon will happen in our life time.... so we waiting!
great right?</i>
Is that it?
Don't tell me that your faith in that is so strong that you need advice from others, or more looks in a book or something. Doesn't sound all that strong. The hmmmmmmm should be enough to go ahead with having littlies.
I find it disturbing that people in the west don't have children younger. People say, "oh you're not prepared or ready yet"; Why? because we might have to help? What a load of crap. The truth is that young people shouldn't have kids because we're so fucking greedy - maybe they're not quite ready to come up with the rent.
There's nothing quite like the authority to therapeutically treat social deviance - the ultimate arrogance outside jwism.
Bang
Edited by - Bang on 8 July 2002 7:41:0
the last real "meaty" witness discussion i had with my mother, she said "you must have gotten that information from an apostate website, because that is the exact line of reasoning & order that all apostates use" i said that she was rude to call me an apostate, and that i am not afraid to read information, i like to gather facts.
(oh, by the way- that was before this website, now i am proud of being an apostate :-) thanks everyone) anyway, so i asked her what exactly the "unforgiveable sin" is.
she said "saying the truth is not the truth" so, i said- so if i say the witnesses aren't the truth, and really believe that, then later on , if i decide it is the truth, jehovah won't forgive me?
Not for-given ?
If a child in a tantrum in-deed speaks to me in blasphemy, even though they know the truth, should I give them more? At what stage should I withhold? It is God who gives the growth
I think that your mother was close.
Not eternally damned, but, in danger of eternal damnation.
Bang
i found this material on a pro-jw newsletter, and i've had this personal experience myself and know many others who have also.
before i became a jw i experienced a tremendous amount of "love" from the congregation i associated with, but once baptized they leave and move on to the next potential convert.
as a single person, i was never invited out to gatherings very much and always felt a little left out in the very clique-ish congregation that i attended.
It's normal behaviour for fornicators - the spiritual kind. They show you some 'love' so they can score, but it's not love, and yet in a funny way they call it 'love' and try and imagine it to be.
Bang
i was raised a jw since childhood.
besides the emotional trauma that comes with being an outsider from the rest of the real world, my father was phsically, mentally and verbally abusive to my 2 younger sisters and i. apparently my mother seemd to be so brainwashed with the ideas of respect for headship and all the other bs she didn't do anything about the abuse.needless to say my father was also an elder, sheperding the flock while at home beating his children senseless.
after 20 years of this and all 3 children leaving home by the age of 16,something finally clicked in her head.
Thank you for telling your story.
Bang
can everyone tell me the names that the wtbts calls people by?
and particularly anything that is meant to de-scribe others as condemned, such as spiritual fornicators and birdseed.
bang edited by - bang on 8 july 2002 4:36:29.
Can everyone tell me the names that the wtbts calls people by?
And particularly anything that is meant to de-scribe others as condemned, such as spiritual fornicators and birdseed.
Bang
Edited by - Bang on 8 July 2002 4:36:29
i've often wondered about god's promise to hagar, ishmael"s mother in genesis 16:10 and 17:20 where he promises that he will greatly multiply her descendants making them too numerous to count, and also telling abraham that he would also bless ishmael and "he would certainly produce twelve chieftains, and i will make him become a great nation".
verse 25 also mentions that ishmael was circumcised which would make him part of the covenant made between jehovah and abraham.
in genesis 21:13, after telling abraham to drive hagar and ishmael out of his camp as sarah told him to do, god promised abraham that he would make a nation of ishmael too, because he was also abraham's son.
It's rather clear that spiritual sonship is different - as Jesus spoke of.
And it's also clear that when we're talking about giving material goods, the 'brothers' who should recieve them are also material.
Who can honestly say that spiritual brothers should be the family that recieves worldly goods? God created the earth to be shared by those who dwell there, and the kingdom of heaven with those who dwell there - AT LEAST.
Bang
