i was pm with a@g and have with others here in the one-in-one-out marriage situation, and have a question.
time flies.....i have been considered apostate for at least two years now, and it seems my wife says she loves me all the time....almost makes me uncomfortable.
i have changed, not her, and i realize that.
Question is: Which one of the four loves of the Bible is she refereing to? There where the WT strategy lies, lay.
I dont think challenging her beleifs based on the WT will win you points, its the sincerity of your love for her, one thats more principled than the WT BS.
The organization is running scared, it has to pull its "sheep" together in secret meetings to say things that "normal" people would see through, tightening its mind control, and narrowing the sight of its followers. And now, the holy ones are no longer gifted with more spirit and insight fromGod, than the great crowd, why? because there will soon be no more of those who witnessed 1914, again the "truth" changes....PUKE
i've just read lola28's thread "for those against gay marriage".
i thought i should present a clear message on what i think the gay marriage issue is all about.
the trouble with most discussions on this issue is that it gets clouded by a plethora of side-issues, non-issues, cave-men chest-thumping and medieval puritanism.
They are treated equally, they are free to marry a person of the opposit sex just like me. The want special rights and have gotten them, heterols are the ones being discriminated against by such speacial interest groups.
i have looked at the thread about gay marriages in california and thought about asking this question there, but instead of hi-jacking that one i thought i would ask it here.
there seems to be quite a few gay people on this site and i wonder how many class themselves as christian?
if so, can being gay live in harmony with being a christian?.
Bravo, "what we once were", change, that does not mean the desires are gone, only that the spirit to control them are there. Yes one who is homosexual inside can be a Christain outside, those are probably among the strongest, because they have the hardest test of faith.
Romans 7:
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Did, then, what is good become death to me? Never may that happen! But sin did, that it might be shown as sin working out death for me through that which is good; that sin might become far more sinful through the commandment. 14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I am fleshly, sold under sin. 15 For what I am working out I do not know. For what I wish, this I do not practice; but what I hate is what I do. 16 However, if what I do not wish is what I do, I agree that the Law is fine. 17 But now the one working it out is no longer I, but sin that resides in me. 18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, there dwells nothing good; for ability to wish is present with me, but ability to work out what is fine is not [present]. 19 For the good that I wish I do not do, but the bad that I do not wish is what I practice. 20 If, now, what I do not wish is what I do, the one working it out is no longer I, but the sin dwelling in me.
we had one always had his hands on the sisters and would stare at there brests all the time .
any new sisters were ''new meat'' lost count off the times he was told off by the elders
hundred years ago, not really, there was an elderly "brother" who carved chains out of wood, it fasninated all the children and they all sat on his lap, years of this went on, generations sat on his lap, and then one day all hell broke lose when some one complained..Modesto in the 50s
the reason why i ask is because whenever u are df and u are trying to get reinstated they are always tellling u that u have to produce fruits befitting repentenace like attending the meetings,etc.
they always make it seem that since they are gods spirit-directed org.
that he will know whether or not if a person is repentent.
Could be the elders have their own reasons for reinstating her.
'we all have a priori knowledge, so we can't claim objective knowledge.
by the way, our senses only observe part of reality.
then, how do you dare asserting that you're right?
You all agree, or dissagree, you are creating your own standard, who do all these religions claim to represent? None of them are going to fail or succeed by "our standard", only by the one they say they represent. Religion is a set of personal beliefs, each of us is a religion unto ourselves, so by what standard shall we rise or fall?
when i first attended the congregation of jehovahs witnesses i never even thought about whom or what was the faithful and discreet slave.
i do not believe that this information is ever taught to the public directly.
i think you have to be baptised or start attending the same meetings as those that are baptised.. anyway what made all of you adapt the teaching of the faithful and discreet slave (class or whatever)?
If you have to ask, you are not.
going to an international assembly 1974 and one of the gb leo greenlees saying"this will most likely be the last international assembly this side of armageddon".. poeple selling their houses.. storing up food.. wondering what went wrong on dec 31 1975!.
Fear and panic, cause I believed.
i've disassociated myself since february.
i made no secret of my disapproval of the wtbts and was very vocal to my doubts of it being god's true organization on earth to the po.
now, the po and another elder has scheduled to talk with my wife tonight for a sheparding call at the home of the book study.
Remind her her marrriage vows were made to Jehovah and not to the elders, or the org. They are overstepping their authority. If you separated and die at armagadon because you were removed from the source of truth...your blood is on their hands, hers and the elders.
