Posts by Hondo

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Jehovah's Witnesses turned Christian....Post Here

by R.F. in

i would like those of you former jws turned christian to post here.

specific denominations can be mentioned.

i'd just like to get an idea of how many of you there are.

Hondo

free2bme

What does it take to be a real Christian then. Do you need to conquer nations in the name of Christ, do you need to ignore the violence of the Nazi party, do you need to kill in the name of Christ? Apparently that is okay, as with Catholics, but get a bunch of former Witnesses together and you can not swallow calling the Witnesses Christians, when they are?

In this modern day and age of those determined to conquer/control, apparently it is ok for the JW's to murder/kill tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, of people (a good majority of these being children), because of their rediculous past policies regarding organ transplants and immunizations, and present policy restricting blood transfusions; all in the name of who...Christ?? The WT organization? What is the difference between what the Christian Conquerors did in the past, and what the JW's are doing contemporarily. Same result...people die because of stupid direction/rediculous policies/hap-hazzard bible interpretations.

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Why does the great crowd go to memorial?

by *jeremiah* in

"do this in remembrance of me"...... ...those words jesus utters,..according to the wt,...is specifically for "the annointed",...right?.

if jesus at the last supper is speaking directly to "the annointed class",...that they should parttake and "do this in remembrance",...then why do the r & f even go to the memorial?.

looking at it through jw eyes,...jesus didn't invite members of "great crowd" to the last supper,...right?

Hondo

"If Jesus at the last supper is speaking directly to "the annointed class",...that they should parttake and "do this in remembrance",...then why do the R & F even go to the memorial?"

MONEY, MONEY, MONEY...

How much does the WTBTS take in for 2 or 3 days of a memorial? This is why the R&F go, or are told to go. I read, and I can't remember where this article was, that somewhere in Oregon or Wash, during a memborial there, the city that was hosting the memorial provide the facilities (a stadium and lot of parking) for free. The WTBTS then went ahead and charge everyone for parking. Add this to all the donations taken in during the memorial, and you get a pretty good chunk of moola.

Sick!

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For the kids is it better to stay married and miserable or...?

by brunnhilde in

...get a divorce and at least have a chance at happiness?

my husband and i would never have gotten married if we weren't both in the borg.

now we're both out and we have nothing in common.

Hondo

I hung around for the kids. My wife, now ex-wife, got mixed up with the JW cult back in 1995 (I am not, nor have ever been, a JW). My son was 11, my daughter 10. My ex kept the fact that she had become involved with the cult a secret from me for her first 7/8 months of being involved (I was in the Navy at the time, on a ship, and stationed in Japan. The ship I was on was underway quite a bit). I only found out by accident, finding her stash of magazines. Upon confronting her, it became apparent that I was no longer the part of her life that I had been prior to her getting mixed up with the JWs. I had become the pervervial "non-believing" mate to her, plus someone who opposed what she was doing, thus becoming a detriment to her and her perceived ideas about her own salvation. I had become a threat to her. I did see a lawyer around this time to talk about divorce but was recommended to hold off, especially since I was in the Navy. I took this advice and put on my best "husband" face and live with my ex's meetings and door-to-door activities for the next 9 years. During this time things got worse, to a very good degree. My ex's involvement with the cult became more serious, reaching a point to where I felt like only a live in person in my own home. If I wanted to go out to dinner with my then wife, but there was a meeting the same night, guess what, I took the back seat. Same thing on weekends. Just about doing anything with her during these days off was out of the questions. She had her study on Sunday and seemed to be cleaning the KH she attended every Saturday. Of course, all the holidays we had previously spent together as a family were now without my ex. The kids and I did our thing on these days while she kept apart from us. A Christmas tradition we had done for years was visiting my family in Oregon. She refused to participate in this also. We were eventually divorced in 2003. Since then she has refused to speak to me anymore, or answer any my letters that I sent her from time-to-time, just to see how she is doing. By waiting to get a divorce, my kids, now 24 and 23, entered adulthood pretty much unscathed (my daughter did some problems during junior and senior in high school). I am a grandfather now and we are all very close. They have learned to divide their time between their mother and me quite efficiently. Hope this helps

Hondo

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WTS Has Lost +35% of Elders in US Since 1994????

by Seeker4 in

jw
friends

zack, on another thread, said he heard this figure from the platform at both the 2006 elders' school and his recent pioneer school:.

that there were 93,000 elders in 1994, and less than 60,000 today, in the united states.. i thought these figures deserved their own thread, as they are shocking to me, and to see if anyone else has heard anything similar.. i'll post a link to the other thread as well.

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Hondo

Gregor

What goes around, comes around I guess. Now just the opposite is happening. In spite of all the sex scandel crap going on, more young Catholic men are seeking the priesthood than before. Is all this cyclical? Maybe like the sun-spot cycle (every 11 years) there is some sort of religious hierarchy type cycle. Catholics are seeing a growth now, maybe in a few years the Presbyterians will see same thing, then the Lutherans, the Baptist, etc... then the good JWs in a few years, although I hope not.

Hondo

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I'm one of the EVIL SLAVE

by Amazing in

jw
friends

basd on my comment to another post titled "1979," i thought that this would make an interesting separate topic.. a little history: many here are aware that i was an ms and then elder and of the anointed while a jw.

i openly professed anointing for 20-years of the 27-years i was associated with the watchtower.

since that time, i have totally and completely renounced all but one watchtower doctrine.

Hondo

Can an "annointed one" be challenged? By this I mean, can someone who partakes at a convention, let's say, be challenged because someone also attending, but of the "lower class", claims to know, and has proof, that the one partaking smokes, and is an alchoholic and adulterer.

Similarly, Are there female "annointed?" If so, what is the ratio between genders vis-a-vis being "annointed?" I would suspect a lot more male, but how many?

Thanks.

Hondo

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HAVE JWS RUINED YOUR LIFE??????

by chuckyy in

jw
friends

im sitting here today thinking:.

"my daughter should have had open heart surgery years ago and she would have been too young to know anything about it.

instead, she is about to face it now....the surgeons were relectant to do it when we were jws and she was so young.

Hondo

"Do you have to be a witness for the watchtower to ruin your life? They hurt the family members just as much even though they never join." No, you don't have to be a witness for the watchtower to ruin you life. I have never been one, but they took my wife of 20 years from me a few years ago. She is a Japanese National. I was in the Navy stationed in Japan. My ship was away, the kids were in school, and they came knocking. The rest is history. They took hold of her, and her entire life. I went from being a husband, a father, and part of good and loving family, to being just my wifes "non-believing mate." The kids (thank God they did not follow in her footsteps) and me went on with our normal lives. She, forgoing all the things we did as a family (Christmas, holidays, birthdays, etc.) did her JW thing. For all intents and purposes we, as a family, were dead, and the JWs did it. they are 100% responsible. The JWs/WTBTS wrapped her up and packaged her in their beliefs very nicely. We eventually divorced. I am convinced that the JWs knew exactly what they were doing when they broke up my family. My ex wife tried to get me and kids to join the cult. When we flat out refused, and opposed her even being part of this destructive group (I suspect that because of our arguments against her being part of the JWs that we became "opposers of the truth" to her, only widening the family rift between her and us) that was it; we were done as a family. It was only a matter of time before our lives would be separate. I recently saw her after several years. She was like a zombie. She refused to talk to me, or, for the most part, even ackowledge my presence/existance. I still love her dearly and hope and pray the God will guide and help her understand that the path to everlasting life is not through a man-made organization, but through our Lord Jesus Christ.

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JESUS CAN NOT BE JEHOVAH GOD IN THE FLESH

by juni in

jehovah the god of the hebrew scriptures treatment of his creation is questionable.. jesus (his son) of the greek scriptures only on one occasion lost his temper - in the temple w/the money changers.

otherwise he was kind and patient and compassionate for people.. how can this be?

why such a difference in personality if they are the same "person"?

Hondo

Because Christ our Lord, uniquely, had two natures, he could give two answers to the question "what are you?" - for nature decides what a person is. And he had two distinct principles - sources we may say - of action. by the one nature he could do all that goes with being God - he could read the heart of man for instance, he could raise Lazarus to life; by the other he could do all that goes with being man - he could be born of a mother, could hunger and thirst, could suffer, could die, and could get angry at the temple. A difficult concept to grasp.

Hope this helps.

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Have you been love bombed or practiced this technique?

by truthsearcher in

what has been your experience with love bombing (that is the practice of showering attention upon newcomers until they are part of the org)?

Hondo

"The worse thing was when I was visiting a hall, no one knew us we could have walked in off the street and no one spoke to us. Not a hello or a smile from anyone. It was the worst meeting of my life ( at that time) I couldnt believe it I was so embarrist and upset."

I agree with you Vitty, and also think that different JW congs "love bomb" in different ways, or don't do anything at all. When I was going Through my divorce (my then wife of 20 years got hooked by the JWs and ultimately decided that they were more important than our life and marriage), and in an effort to try to understand what she (a Japanese National) did when she went to all these meetings, I attended one with her during the week. It was at very small Japanese group (cong) here in Hawaii, spoken in that language. I did not understand a thing and thought the whole thing was very boring. I was greeted and treated very well, however. Just about everyone came up and welcomed me in their best english. My ex was, of course, happy I attended.

Coversely, I also attended, with my ex, an english speaking (all caucasian) meeting to get a feel for what topics were discussed. My ex did not know anyone at this cong, and of course nor did I. The reception was just the opposite compared to the Japanese cong. There were probably 50+ in attendance at the meeting and hardly anyone come up to us. We just sat in the back. A couple songs were sung, and at this particular meeting there were several groups that did some sort of door-to-door role playing as if they were out in service. An elder, I suspect, spoke for a bit. No one said anything when we left. Again, I thought the whole thing to be very boring. I also had the feeling that we were being scrutinized, with everyone there maybe thinking to themselves, "who were this Japanese woman and caucasian man." Even my ex thought this particular experience was not too exciting, but was happy I was taking the time to try to understand what she now fervently believed in.

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Have you been love bombed or practiced this technique?

by truthsearcher in

what has been your experience with love bombing (that is the practice of showering attention upon newcomers until they are part of the org)?

Hondo

"The worse thing was when I was visiting a hall, no one knew us we could have walked in off the street and no one spoke to us. Not a hello or a smile from anyone. It was the worst meeting of my life ( at that time) I couldnt believe it I was so embarrist and upset."

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The Great Day of Jehovah is NEAR!!!!!!

by Gill in

the year's text for 2007 is from zepheniah 1:14:.

'the great day of jehovah is near.

as usual 'near', 'soon', 'approaching'.....blah blah etc...... watchtower dec 15th 2006.

Hondo

"Oh well! In the words of a true prophet 'Shit happens!' "

Would that be the Prophet GUMP?