Posts by Hondo

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Does the WTBTS still control your life?

by Honesty in

do you follow the arrangement dictated by the governing body of jw's regarding df'd and da'd individuals?

do you shun the jw's like you are expected to by wt leaders or do you speak to jw's and greet them with a smile even if they shun you when you do so?

in complying with wtbts rules of acceptable behavior for da'd or df'd persons do you think that you are showing unconditional love to your neighbor?

Hondo

swiftbreeze

Good words. I think there are a lot of "doubters" like Dune browsing this forum, looking for, as you say, that one word, one phrase, one thread that will get push them over the top. In the meantime they will continue their blind defense of the cult, as confusing as it may be, sneaking in and out of these conversations and discussions, hoping no one will see; hoping not to get caught, looking and hoping.

Hang in there Dune, your time will come. There are a lot of good people willing and waiting to assist.

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Does the WTBTS still control your life?

by Honesty in

do you follow the arrangement dictated by the governing body of jw's regarding df'd and da'd individuals?

do you shun the jw's like you are expected to by wt leaders or do you speak to jw's and greet them with a smile even if they shun you when you do so?

in complying with wtbts rules of acceptable behavior for da'd or df'd persons do you think that you are showing unconditional love to your neighbor?

Hondo

"God doesnt force us to serve him."

Dune, you're correct, God does not force anything on us, but the WTS sure does once it gets its destructive grips on you. Only escaping from the life altering, ever controlling, hold that the Society has on those within this evil cult, can one fully understand the bible and the love our our Lord Jesus Christ, or not believe at all.

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Were you told you had to tolerate things as a test?

by LongHairGal in

(i made a thread like this but it seemed to have gotten lost).

i got in some heated discussions years ago over what i would and would not tolerate from people with regard to abuse on a personal level.

we were always fed the line that we should forgive our brother, etc.

Hondo

Before my wife joined up with the JW's she was a vibrant, exciting woman. After she joined, and before our divorce, she transformed/changed amost a 100%. She always seemed to be feeling sorry for herself. The way she talked was different; more subdued distant compared to the early days of our marriage. I had the distinct feeling on many occasion that she felt persecuted, or was suffering, because she was married to a "non-believing" mate, and not a "loving" JW (she had already tried several time to get me to start going to meetings with her. I wisely chose not to). I'm not sure how she feels now, but do have a high degree of certaintly that after the divorce (maybe someone out there can elaborate), she was happy to be rid of me and away from a non-JW, while at the same time blamed herself, to a degree, for our splitup.

Thoughts/comments

Thanks

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Fear of the big "A"

by Chia in

jw
friends

i went to a friend's house last night.

i was talking with him about religious issues.

i told him i no longer feel that the witnesses have the truth.

Hondo

ozziepost

Your statement

"Fear of the Big A (Dubs) = Fear of Hell-fire (Roman Catholic)

What's the difference?"

Big, big, difference. the JW's have taken their belief of the Big A from the bible totally out of context and fear it because the idiots at Bethel say to fear it. JW's fear getting dissassociated for not believing in the Big A more than the Big A itself. Catholics, for the most part, do not fear Hell. It's in the bible, granted, in fact, the word Hell is mentioned in the bible more Heaven. JW's proclaim, "the sky is falling, the sky is falling", and soon. Catholics do not warn or announce that hell awaits those who do not believe, or that it is right around the corner. Free will is free will.

In you statement above, you need to replace Roman Catholic with the Evangelical Fundamentalists. These folks are the Hell Fire and Brimstone Sola Scripturist, and do threaten their congregations with eternal damnation if the bible is not followed explicitly. Catholics use the bible as the "guide of life", not the "explicit rulebook of life."

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Fear of the big "A"

by Chia in

jw
friends

i went to a friend's house last night.

i was talking with him about religious issues.

i told him i no longer feel that the witnesses have the truth.

Hondo

Chia,

Your friends words,

"Why worry? Why stress? Live life. Be a good person, the best that you can be. Give back to people."

Are great words.

Go to a homeless shelter and hand out meals for a day, or just help someone (a blind person, and elderly person...) across the street, or volunteer to visit a hospice and just talk to a terminally ill patient there for an hour... then compare all this to going door to door, and the bordom associated with this. Who is God more visible in? Someone who is spreading the deceit, thoughts, Ideas and lies of an organization, or someone who is actually doing the work of God; doing good... Some people can be like a Mother Theresa or a Pope John Paul II. Some people can only walk a elderly person across the street, or perhaps visit a homeless shelter. Each is equal and the same in the eyes of God.

In many cases, without me saying a word or trying to sell someone a magazine, I get more questions about faith, God, Jesue, etc. by just doing the things I do (at a homeless shelter and not affiliated with any religious organization). There is so much good in this world, and It is such a good feeling doing something good rather than going around proclaiming that the sky is falling and all is bad in the world today. If you only look for the bad as the JW's do, you surely will find it; it's out there; it's part of life! Similarly, if you look for the good, you will also find it, and believe me, there is so much more good than you can imagine.

You are headed in the right direction. Try sharing some of your goodness. I think you will feel a warmth and inner goodness that is unique and something not found in anything the JW's do. The sky will only fall if you want it to...

Have a good day.

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Do not eat blood nor pork

by Bryan in

so the bible says not to eat blood, so the witnesses refuse blood transfusions.

the bible also says not to eat pork.

so why do witnesses eat pork?

Hondo

The bible is clearly talking about animal blood, so why are transfusions not allowed. Or, were there cannibals back 2000+ years that actually ate human blood, thus the JW's blood ban. JW's know something everyone else doesn't?

The bible also says not to eat fat. Do JW's order a supersized bag of, full of fat, fries when they visit McDonalds (are they allowed to go to Micky D's and order a big mac combo meal or a happy meal?)

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Do not eat blood nor pork

by Bryan in

so the bible says not to eat blood, so the witnesses refuse blood transfusions.

the bible also says not to eat pork.

so why do witnesses eat pork?

Hondo

The bible says don't eat fat too.

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KH Parking Spaces....

by Will Power in

are they assigned?

are they in any way related to status?

if you usually park in the same space every meeting, then one day you arrive to find someone else there...... .

Hondo

Krystal, are you from Hawaii?

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Did You Ever Think The "End" Was Going To Happen In Your Lifetime"?

by minimus in

jw
friends

although i was considered an exemplary jw, i never really could see it happening.

still don't.

Hondo

Thanks Liberty, great response. Then I guess these thoughts of being the most "blessed" people in the world are reinforced during the myriad meeting JW's attend weekly. In my case I was at sea (I'm Navy retired), the kids were in school, and the then wife was perhaps feeling a bit despondent, maybe depressed, and they came knocking, said the right words and the rest is history. My ex-wife, exhibits the traits you mention in your response. She feels she knows something, has a special connection that no one else has. Oh well. I guess they all can sit at idle while the rest of us move forward. Thanks again

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Did You Ever Think The "End" Was Going To Happen In Your Lifetime"?

by minimus in

jw
friends

although i was considered an exemplary jw, i never really could see it happening.

still don't.

Hondo

I was never a JW so I always planned for the future, and still do (I've planned out the next 20 years; where I want to be at the 5, 10, 15 year mark, etc. How I want to be financially, and so forth and so on...). I have wished on occasion, upon waking up late on a Saturday morning, after a night on the town, that the end would come. Of course it never did, and I lived with my headache, and continued looking forward towards, and planning for, the future.

I cannot, and I suppose never will, understand how a person, my ex-wife in this case, after 20 years of marriage together, and supposedly knowing and understanding each other, fall under the "spell" of the WTS. I rarely see her now-a-days, but when I do happen to run into to her she always tells me that I will be sorry, the end is near...and she is dead serious! She is college educated, level headed, and was, and probably still is, a good woman. How does the WTS/JW's do this to someone? Why do some fall for all this crap, and most others, I suspect, don't? It baffles me.

Hope everyone has a wonderful day.