Posts by evergreen

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 5-29-05 WT Study (Apostasy; Inactive)

by blondie in

as the foremost person in the bible who let gods word light his roadway, where is jesus in this article?

wts reminders; otherwise you will not be heard and will not enjoy divine favor.

(psalm 119:175,176) some who have wandered away from the christian .

evergreen

Have to say i enjoyed your take on this watchtower Blondie. Especially where you point out where Jesus is mentioned in this article. As usual he is left in the background almost hidden from view.

I had for many years (whilst sitting through all those long winded meetings) always felt that they pushed Jesus into the background.Time and time again i felt they were doing this , but i thought it was just me.

Once i was even told by a brother ( who came up to me privately, after i had given a bible highlights) that i shouldnt have put more of an emphasis on Jesus in my talk than i did for Jehovah.

At the time, i didnt feel angry at the brother for saying this because he was so sincere in what he believed . It was what he was brainwashed with week in and week out that bugged me at the time.( and that was when i was deep in the "truth", long before i had ever read anything remotely "apostate")

Everything you wrote here i agree with. I am currently inactive and have not been attending for about a year. I currently have no intention of going back to an organisation that has such controll over my life. One day i hope i have the strength to just tell them straight my views instead of having to hide everything. Its quite sad that so many of us in this forum simply cant( for the time being) reveal who we are because of the fear of being shunned by our own families .

I look forward to reading more of your takes on the nonsense that keeps flowing forth from the group of old guys at brooklyn.

bfn evergreen

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Boring talks - elders not invited again

by stillajwexelder in

i heard today, the most boring talk ever.

speaker had zero enthusiasm and zero modulation.

it was awful and many others thought so too.

evergreen

An elder in a previous congregation used to bore the pants of everyone each time he went up on the platform. When ever he gave a public talk it was like sitting at an insurance seminar.

I must say though he was a nice guy although stuck rigid and by the book brooklynne style. One day he came up to me and asked if i could give him a lift to a hall about 60 miles away. I was to polite to say i cant. So i humbly did my bit for Jehovah and drove him to this hall to give his talk.

All i remember thinking was ,what is everyone thinking here. He must have used about 40 scriptures and neither raised or lowered his tone of voice all the way through the talk. I thought it would never end. But hey i did my bit for jehovah and that hall was surely blessed to hear such wise from the heart counsel

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Your favorite JW made-up word

by dorothy in

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ok, they have lots of "witnessy" sayings.

but the best is the words they keep making up.. mine is "super-fine apostles" (from an awake a few months ago).

evergreen

"field service" springs to mind ,although these are in the dictionary.But tied together, sounds way different and certainly would confuse the "worldlings".

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How did you feel when you learned it was all a lie?

by what_Truth? in

bit of background.

i grew up as a jw i left the church when i was 14 because a ministerial servant who was conducting a one on one baptism study with me said that i couldn't ballance my dreams of being a professional singer with the so called "truth".

i stopped the study and told my mom i no longer wanted to be a witness.

evergreen

To be honest with u , i was confused after discovering the true history of the WTS. I was more annoyed than anything else, because my whole life could have been so different.

Right from the day i was baptized, i always felt something wasn't right ; always the doubts ,the what ifs etc.

But now i have made my mind up not to attend anymore,I feel a sense of freedom that i can now controll my own activities.No more being controlled by the guys in NY.

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HELP!! Trying to find right religion brough up as JW

by emmamess22 in

i was raised as an on again off again (when convenient for flighty mom) jw.

i have recently decided due to the birth of a daughter that it was time to get it together and decide what to do with myself spiritually as she was going to church with her baptisit dad and i felt awful.

so, i've been using the reasoning book and reading the bible and trying to decide what's right.. spent hours looking at christmas online....saw it was traced to pagan celebrations and decided not to do it.

evergreen

Hey mouthy ,i dont believe i have read that awake .Sounds interesting .Are the WTBTS beginnining to crack under the strain !mmmmm

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HELP!! Trying to find right religion brough up as JW

by emmamess22 in

i was raised as an on again off again (when convenient for flighty mom) jw.

i have recently decided due to the birth of a daughter that it was time to get it together and decide what to do with myself spiritually as she was going to church with her baptisit dad and i felt awful.

so, i've been using the reasoning book and reading the bible and trying to decide what's right.. spent hours looking at christmas online....saw it was traced to pagan celebrations and decided not to do it.

evergreen

Hi Emma,

I'm inclined to agree with greenpalmtreestillmine (sabrina). I think you should step back take your time and just simply read the word of God straight from the bible, starting with the gospels.Just read the simple message that Jesus was trying to express which was to do good in your life .Treat everyone with love and love God with your whole heart soul and mind. Also simply praying to God each day will give you the strength you need to get you through each day .

But at the same time have a life girl. Enjoy life; we are entitled to do that no matter what people say. That was what we were created for! That was the one thing i hated when i was a JW. you couldnt do this and you couldnt do that .It was only after 10 years of complete boredom that i began to realise that my life was being controlled by a dozen or so men from Brooklynn. One thing i have started doing is celebrating my childs birthday.Ther is no way that i could watch each year pass by and not celebrate such a wonderful occasion. Just watching the smile on her face filled me with joy as she opend the present i gave her a few weeks ago. These are the memories a parent cherishes.

I am very much in the same boat as you as are many people on this sight simply searching for the "truth".I was born into the Catholic religion and stopped going when i was 16. But the one thing that always stood out in my mind even though i was dissillusioned with that religion was that Jesus was a good man and that he had a message to give us. As a Jehovahs witness that view never changed, but i didnt like the way the society kind of kept him in the back ground. I do believe that we pray to God through Jesus Christ but Doesnt the bible say that to Jesus Christ every knee should bend. That is why you need to read about him , his life , his messge and simply follow his footsteps as to how you should walk.

This is the position i am in at the moment and i am in no rush to throw myself into another religion only to find myself in the same position with that of the JWs.So all the best to you in your search and welcome to this site.

Ps By the way i'm off playing golf this weekend with some lads at work (cant wait). No more viewing them as worldly people; ,just simply view them as individuals who like me fancy a game of golf for enjoyment.

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Things Learned Along the Way

by blondie in

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i have collected sayings, homilies, whatever along the way that crystallize something bigger i learned.

i will post a few every day.

if you have one, please share it.. if you lie down with dogs, you'll get up with fleas.. to belittle is to be little.. somewhere, i got the idea if i just took care of others, i would be taken care of.. blondie

evergreen

"Its nice to be important, but its much more important to be nice!"

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what do you read at Matthew 27:52,53 ?

by evergreen in

reading my bible daily ,i am enjoying what i read, especially not having to constantly refer to wt literature all the time .but simply reading what is in black and white in the holy scriptures.. i came across this portion of scripture at matthew 27:52,53 .

and the memorial tombs were opened and many bodies of the holy ones that had fallen asleep were raised up,(and persons,coming out from among the memorial tombs after his being raised up,entered into the holy city,)and they became visible to many people.. two things that come to my mind from this portion of scripture.

1/ dead people are raised ie holy ones.. the society says that these were bodies that became visible that fell out from the tombs because of the earthquake ??.

evergreen

Thankyou to every one who have responded to this topic. I remember reading this portion of scripture years ago and was always baffled back then by the WTS insight on it.

Without going into too much detail, i personally think as some have already mentioned on this message board, that the supernatural events that happenned that day were really showing that Jesus was truly the son of God and his death marked the most important event for mankind .The earthquake ,the darkness, the curtain being torn in two and the events at the memorial tombs .

Why not, is it really so far fetched to believe this account.Jesus when alive ressurrected many people including Lazurus right before the eyes of many eye witnesses.Yet is Lazarus here to day. No he probably died of old age because of the imperfect AGE we live in. These people ( perhaps sincerely faithful to God wether they had heard the message of jesus before they died or not) were it appears raised from the dead and appeared to many ( probably people who had not long died as they would have been recognised by their friends and family) which proved beyond any doubt that Jesus was the Messiah.( These to would eventually have died in time due to imperfection within this AGE). No doubt many would certainly have put faith in Jesus being the Christ , just as those would have when Lazarus and many others were ressurrected by him.

I find that by reading the simple message of the bible (taken at face value) strengthens my faith in God even when some things are a little hard to understand. I hadn't read the bible for a few days; and when i read it yesterday coupled with prayer, i could feel the power of Gods word comfort me in this very troubled world we live in.

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IM THE 3RD TOUGHEST FIGHTER IN IRELAND!!

by josephus in

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just a note to let you know that i fought in my first no holds barred fighting comp.. im the third best guy at 95 kilos for you yanks approx 190.00 pounds +.

i came third and am a big scary monster now!.

good thing i gave up jws i guess.. see you.

evergreen

Hi Josephus well done ! hope you make it to No 1 soon.

As a teenager i used to box in small competitions but more than often i was beaten round the ring like a rag doll.My greatest boxing achievement was beating the Co Louth champion.(i'm sure the world has heard of Co Louth, i'm even sure Ireland has heard of Co Louth) .But it felt good going home with that trophy.

I'm currently No 2 in my Household .I dont need to mention who the champion is!!

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what do you read at Matthew 27:52,53 ?

by evergreen in

reading my bible daily ,i am enjoying what i read, especially not having to constantly refer to wt literature all the time .but simply reading what is in black and white in the holy scriptures.. i came across this portion of scripture at matthew 27:52,53 .

and the memorial tombs were opened and many bodies of the holy ones that had fallen asleep were raised up,(and persons,coming out from among the memorial tombs after his being raised up,entered into the holy city,)and they became visible to many people.. two things that come to my mind from this portion of scripture.

1/ dead people are raised ie holy ones.. the society says that these were bodies that became visible that fell out from the tombs because of the earthquake ??.

evergreen

Reading my Bible daily ,i am enjoying what i read, especially not having to constantly refer to WT literature all the time .But simply reading what is in black and white in the holy scriptures.

I came across this portion of scripture at Matthew 27:52,53

And the memorial tombs were opened and many bodies of the holy ones that had fallen asleep were raised up,(and persons,coming out from among the memorial tombs after his being raised up,entered into the holy city,)and they became visible to many people.

Two things that come to my mind from this portion of scripture

1/ Dead people are raised ie holy ones.

The society says that these were bodies that became visible that fell out from the tombs because of the earthquake ??

2/ It says that they were raised up after his being raised .

What comes to my mind here is what ties in with what Jesus said in his final words when speaking to God. Into your hands i commend my spirit.Which would indicate that he was giving up his spirit at the moment of death (the society say it is his life force).His body being raised after the 3rd day so that the human eye could literally see proof that he had been raised.

This portion of scripture has certainly made me think over the last few weeks.What do you think? What do you see when you read this scripture?