Yeah the UN scandal ranks up there pretty high. However I always like to point out the fact that they say Christ is only the mediator for the 144,000. Even though the bible clearly states that he is the mediator for everyone. The sad part is 99% of JW's don't even realize that their own religion preaches this. It's real easy to have them show you in the bible where it says that Jesus is our mediator, then pull out some of the Watchtower's that show what they really preach.
Hecklerboy
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What Do YOU Think Is The BIGGEST Revelation That Has Gotten JWs Exposed???
by minimus infor me, it was the un debacle.
their association and weak retreat was priceless.
after that, silentlambs ranks right up there.. of course, if it were not for ray franz, many of us would've never even thought about leaving!.
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What are your vacation/holiday plans this year?
by moshe ini am planning a three week rv camping trip out west and back in june.
we want to see some dinosaur digs,redwood trees, yellowstone national park, the grand canyon, my two grown kids and our two granddaughters.
6000 miles in 3 weeks- and i don't even want to think about the gasoline bill!
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Hecklerboy
So far I have 2 mountain bike camping trips planned for May and June. Plus the wife and I will be going to Myrtle Beach, SC sometime after she graduates.
I love sitting around a campfire with good friends drinking strawberry moonshine. Oh yeah, the mountain biking is great too.
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How did you dispose of your JW books? (Or did you?)
by exwitless inlittle drummer boy and i have a small house and we do not have room for the wasted space all of these books are creating.
here's a brief rundown of what we have:.
several nwt hardcover bibles, chinese bibles (lots of chinese students in our town), insight on the scriptures, concordances, a few bound volumes, song books, km books, reasoning books, the entire bible on audio tape, and more.
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Hecklerboy
Burn baby Burn!!!!!
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Jehovah's great justice
by Zico inin the beginning .
jehovah created millions and millions of angels.
jehovah created 2 humans.
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Hecklerboy
God created Adam and Eve with the ability to disobey God so that they could choose to love Him, and without the forbidden tree in the garden they would not have the opportunity to love Him. Would Adam and Eve be perfect humans if they had no choice?
This doesn't make much since. It's like me having children, then telling them that they have to love me or I will kill them. And if they happen to have children before I kill them I will make like hard for them. How could a child love a parent out of fear?
Another question is, why didn't God just kill Adam and Eve immediately and start over instead of letting them live for hundreds of years and have and undetermined amount of children? Not very smart if you ask me.
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I am baffled as to why I Urinate so often and I am not a "Diabetic"?
by booker-t ini am really scared to go to the doctor but i am going after 5 years of constantly getting up to go to the bathroom especially at night.
in the daytime i hardly ever have to use the bathroom.
i have been tested for diabetis for many years and each time the doctor tells me "you are not a diabetic booker-t" i am terrified now because a good friend of mine who is in his early 40's as i am just found out he has prostate cancer.
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Hecklerboy
I asked my wife about this because she is a nurse practitioner. She says that you have classic symptoms of early stage Congestive Heart Failure. Now don't get all crazy. It's sounds allot worse than it is. All it means is that you have a build up of fluid in your body and your body is trying to get rid of it at night. Your doctor will probably put you on a medication called Lasix that will help you get rid of the fluid. They will draw blood to check for sign of this condition. This is a very common and easily treatable condition.
However, if you don't treat it, it will lead to more urinating and increased swelling in your legs and other extremities and shortness of breath.
Get to your doctor and you'll be fine.
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Specific banned shows, songs, etc...?
by AllAlongTheWatchtower ini know the society tells people not to listen to rock n roll cause its from teh satan, not to watch r rated movies because they're "worldly", etc.
but i was wondering if folks had any specific instances where one song, one show, one movie, or whatever was singled out as being particularly 'evil', and banned on an individual basis?
i was never a jw, but was in the worldwide church of god...the two are rather similar, i've seen many (and made quite a few myself) comparisons on the board; and i can remember as a child that every once in a while certain things would get brought up as being more evil and worldly than others.. examples of specific bans:.
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Hecklerboy
Stone Temple Pilots was mentioned from the platform in the early 90's. I thought there was no way this guy has ever listened to the Stone Temple Pilots.
Also, when I was replacing all of my cassette tapes with CD's I offered to give all of my tapes (over 500) to a cute girl on our congregation. She told me she could take them because they were demonized.
My mom burned my Duran Duran (Rio) tape because one of the songs mentioned a demon.
My mom tore down a couple of poster in my room. One of a close up of a woman in and Army helmet. I didn't want to join, just thought it look cool. I a movie poster of "Gleaming the Cube" (skateboarding movie staring Christian Slater).
And I have yet to this day seen the movie "E.T."
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What do you do with your time???
by nonamegiven inwell, now that you are out of the organization, what do you do with the time you gained?
let's see how much time we gained.. assuming you were a publisher you spend at least 2 hours in service 3 saturdays a month plus the service meeting and drive time to and from the kh, let's call that 10 hours a month.. 5 meetings a week plus "fellowshipping" before, after and drive time, let's call that another 40 hours a month.. then there was meeting prep.
another 8 hours a month.
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Hecklerboy
3 nights a week I have martial arts training and the weekends are reserved for mountain biking.
Also love going on dates with my wife and helping her with her homework.
On Tuesday and Thursday nights while I'm at Karate class I sometimes think about the poor drones sitting in the KH listening to how they are not good enough and how they need to do more.
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My wife says she's never read where JW's are to submit to FDS and GB
by zack ini have to give her credit that at least she is willing to discuss the misgivings i have with the wts.
up to this point i have not.
openly stated my disbelief in the jw theology and thinks some of my attitude is just the libertarian streak in me.
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Hecklerboy
He ya go.
Watchtower 1979 April 1 p.31 Questions from Readers ***
Questions from Readers
• Is Jesus the "mediator" only for anointed Christians?
The term "mediator" occurs just six times in the Christian Greek Scriptures and Scripturally is always used regarding a formal covenant.
Moses was the "mediator" of the Law covenant made between God and the nation of Israel. (Gal. 3:19, 20) Christ, though, is the "mediator of a new covenant" between Jehovah and spiritual Israel, the "Israel of God" that will serve as kings and priests in heaven with Jesus. (Heb. 8:6; 9:15; 12:24; Gal. 6:16) At a time when God was selecting those to be taken into that new covenant, the apostle Paul wrote that Christ was the "one mediator between God and men." (1 Tim. 2:5) Reasonably Paul was here using the word "mediator" in the same way he did the other five times, which occurred before the writing of 1 Timothy 2:5, referring to those then being taken into the new covenant for which Christ is "mediator." So in this strict Biblical sense Jesus is the "mediator" only for anointed Christians.
The new covenant will terminate with the glorification of the remnant who are today in that covenant mediated by Christ. The "great crowd" of "other sheep" that is forming today is not in that new covenant. However, by their associating with the "little flock" of those yet in that covenant they come under benefits that flow from that new covenant. During the millennium Jesus Christ will be their king, high priest and judge. For more detailed information, see Aid to Bible Understanding, pages 1129 and 1130 under "Mediator"; also God's "Eternal Purpose" Now Triumphing for Man's Good, page 160, paragraph 10; also The Watchtower issues of February 15, 1966, pages 105 through 123; November 15, 1972, pages 685 and 686, under the subheading "Leading the Way to a New Covenant"; and April 1, 1973, pages 198 and 199, under the subheading "The New Covenant."
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*** Worldwide Security Under the "Prince of Peace" (1986) pp.10-11 ch.1 The Desire for Peace and Security Worldwide ***
16 Just as the ancient nation of Israel was in a covenant relationship with Jehovah God through the mediator Moses, so the nation of spiritual Israel, "the Israel of God," has a covenant relationship through a mediator. (Galatians 6:16) It is as the apostle Paul wrote to his Christian fellow worker: "There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus." (1 Timothy 2:5) Was Moses the mediator between Jehovah God and mankind in general? No, he was the mediator between the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and the nation of their fleshly descendants. Likewise, the Greater Moses, Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members. This spiritual nation is like a little flock of Jehovah's sheeplike ones.—Romans 9:6; Revelation 7:4.
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*** Watchtower 1991 February 15 pp.15-20 "You Were Bought With a Price" ***
8 Hence, the ransom sacrifice is fundamental to the new covenant, of which Jesus is the Mediator. Paul wrote: "There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all-this is what is to be witnessed to at its own particular times." (1 Timothy 2:5, 6) Those words especially apply to the 144,000, with whom the new covenant is made.
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11 Nevertheless, in a preliminary way, the great crowd have already "washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." (Revelation 7:14) Christ does not act as Mediator of the new covenant toward them, yet they benefit from this covenant through the work of God's Kingdom. Christ still acts toward them, however, as High Priest, through whom Jehovah can and does apply the ransom to the extent of their now being declared righteous as God's friends. (Compare James 2:23.) During the Millennium, they will gradually "be set free from enslavement to corruption [until finally they] have the glorious freedom of the children of God."—Romans 8:21.
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*** Watchtower 1998 February 1 pp.20-2 The Other Sheep and the New Covenant ***
10 "Everyone" who "exercises faith in the Son" will benefit from the ransom sacrifice. (John 3:16, 36) Paul said: "The Christ was offered once for all time to bear the sins of many; and the second time that he appears it will be apart from sin and to those earnestly looking for him for their salvation." (Hebrews 9:28) Today, those earnestly looking for Jesus include surviving anointed Christians of the Israel of God and the millions making up the great crowd, who also have an everlasting inheritance. Both classes thank God for the new covenant and for the life-giving blessings associated with it, including the greater Atonement Day and the ministry of the High Priest, Jesus, in the heavenly Most Holy.
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13 What happens when the last of the 144,000 realize their heavenly hope? Will the new covenant cease to apply? At that time, there will be on earth no remaining member of the Israel of God. All participants in the covenant will be with Jesus "in the kingdom of [his] Father." (Matthew 26:29) But we remember Paul's words in his letter to the Hebrews: "The God of peace . . . brought up from the dead the great shepherd of the sheep with the blood of an everlasting covenant." (Hebrews 13:20; Isaiah 55:3) In what sense is the new covenant everlasting?
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Any Josh Groban fans out there?
by exwitless inlittle drummer boy can attest to my fan-hood-ness:.
i'm headed to his concert in chicago next weekend.
can't wait!
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Hecklerboy
My wife is a big fan. She has all of his CD's and DVD's and I have to admit that I like to listen to him from time to time. A few years ago I got my wife tickets to his Nashville concert for Valentines Day. That was a great concert. He's the only singer that sounds better in concert than on CD. This year I was able to score us some tickets to the Raliegh, NC concert next month. Floor seats only 2 sections back. My wife can't wait.
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What reading material would I find in your loo?
by Gregor inmine- popular mechanics, this old house and maybe a sunset.
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Hecklerboy
DirtRag - Mountain Bike Magazine
Various Martial Arts Books - I just finished "The Martial Way and it's Virtues"