Excellent post!! This should be very interesting to those that were new to the WTBS and were not familiar with the history of the WTBS. The prize goes to the Judge for being the best conartist in the org.!!!
mann377
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Us vs Them
by mann377 ini was reading an editorial today from thomas sowell and was amazed by the observation that he made.
read this and tell me what you think.
i hope pasting works.
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mann377
Forget about politics. Does this give you insite into the typical dubs thinking. A cult way of viewing the world.
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Us vs Them
by mann377 ini was reading an editorial today from thomas sowell and was amazed by the observation that he made.
read this and tell me what you think.
i hope pasting works.
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mann377
I was reading an editorial today from Thomas Sowell and was amazed by the observation that he made. Read this and tell me what you think. I hope pasting works. If not I will put in link.
Environmentalist true believers don't think in terms of trade-offs and cost-benefit analysis. There are things that are sacred to them. Trying to get them to compromise on those things would be like trying to convince a Moslem to eat pork, if it was only twice a week.
Compromise and tolerance are not the hallmarks of true believers. What they believe in goes to the heart of what they are. As far as true believers are concerned, you are either one of Us or one of Them.
The man apparently thought that it was just a question of which policy would produce which results. But many issues that look on the surface like they are just about which alternative would best serve the general public are really about being one of Us or one of Them -- and this woman was not about to become one of Them.
Many crusades of the political left have been misunderstood by people who do not understand that these crusades are about establishing the identity and the superiority of the crusaders.
T.S. Eliot understood this more than half a century ago when he wrote: "Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm -- but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves."
In this case, the man thought he was asking the woman to accept a certain policy as the lesser of two evils, when in fact he was asking her to give up her sense of being one of the morally anointed.
This is not unique to our times or to environmentalists. Back during the 1930s, in the years leading up to World War II, one of the fashionable self-indulgences of the left in Britain was to argue that the British should disarm "as an example to others" in order to serve the interests of peace.
When economist Roy Harrod asked one of his friends whether she thought that disarming Britain would cause Hitler to disarm, her reply was: "Oh, Roy, have you lost all your idealism?"
In other words, it was not really about which policy would produce what results. It was about personal identification with lofty goals and kindred souls.
The ostensible goal of peace was window-dressing. Ultimately it was not a question whether arming or disarming Britain was more likely to deter Hitler. It was a question of which policy would best establish the moral superiority of the anointed and solidify their identification with one another.
"Peace" movements are not judged by the empirical test of how often they actually produce peace or how often their disarmament tempts an aggressor into war. It is not an empirical question. It is an article of faith and a badge of identity.
Yasser Arafat was awarded the Nobel Prize for peace -- not for actually producing peace but for being part of what was called "the peace process," based on fashionable notions that were common bonds among members of what are called "peace movements."
Meanwhile, nobody suggested awarding a Nobel Prize for peace to Ronald Reagan, just because he brought the nuclear dangers of a decades-long cold war to an end. He did it the opposite way from how members of "peace movements" thought it should be done.
Reagan beefed up the military and entered into an "arms race" that he knew would bankrupt the Soviet Union if they didn't back off, even though arms races are anathema to members of "peace movements." The fact that events proved him right was no excuse as far as members of "peace movements" were concerned. As far as they were concerned, he was not one of Us. He was one of Them.
Thomas Sowell is a Rose and Milton Friedman Senior Fellow
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How should the congregations be disciplined ?
by vitty ini dont think disfellowshipment itself is wrong, its the enforced shunning that causes the damage.
i think a lot of posters here agree.
personally i think the public reproof is just sick and when a person is marked!.
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mann377
I don't think the congergation has any business DF'g anybody on an organized level. After all the bible tells one to quite judging one another. If some one is engaged in conduct that you do not approve then tell them how you feel and why. These people will avoid you after you tell them. Problem solved!
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Entrapment, "What Does the Bible Teach?" and "Organized to do Jah's Will"
by truthseeker inentrapment is defined as:.
to catch in or as if in a trap or to lure into danger, difficulty, or a compromising situation.. .
what does this have to do with the recent releases from the society, "what does the bible really teach" and "organized to do jehovah's will"?.
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mann377
Excellent!!!!
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Watchtower writing wacko witness wisdom while waiting............
by mann377 inwhat odd lifstyles have you observed the dubs engaged in when you were in the org?
ps: the cost of living is worth every penny!
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mann377
What odd lifstyles have you observed the dubs engaged in when you were in the org? PS: The cost of living is worth every penny!
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Did you feel religious
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when you were a witness did you feel like a christian, .................i always thought the born again seemed more "christian", even though i thought we had the truth .
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mann377
I had to many questions (about the WTBS beliefs) that made me feel uncomfortable in calling myself a christian.
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Homosexuality at Bethel
by Sam the Man inwhilst at london bethel, i witnessed this first hand.
i know that it went on there.
those from brooklyn bethel (i understand that there are a few ex brooklyn bethelites here), the question i have for you is 'did you witness/hear of any over your side of the pond?
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mann377
I know of brothers at Bethel that were "gay". I had one room mate at the farm that was from San Franciso. The first day that he was in the room I asked what kind of work he did back home. He said he was a hair dresser. YIKES!!! He was ok as room mate. Never made any bad moves on me, after two months he moved in with another bethelite. They made a good couple. At Brooklyn I had a room mate that worked in the treasures office. He was very femine by nature and I thought he was "gay". I saw some going to the "MR David convention" that was held in Brooklyn, no kiddin!
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A JW's Sincerity "on trial"
by Oroborus21 ini happened to come across this interesting case.. http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/circs/7th/023597p.pdf.
for all you lay folk, the gist is this.
this woman who is eritrean but whose husband is ethiopian faces deportation and may end up back in eritrea.
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mann377
Must be the "new light" on dates was blacked out in dark Africa!
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The Global Picture of the Watchtower - what is it?
by truthseeker inthe year 2005 has seen many thumbs down for the watchtower.. .
in january they announced the awake!
magazine would go monthly, beginning in 2006.. this past service year, the number of publishers in the united states may actually have gone down, according to latest km figures.. this month the society sued quotes for $100,000 claiming copyright infringement and embarassment.. reports have been circulating of po's trying to shut down jw sites on myspace.com.
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mann377
I think what we are witnessing is the slow death of religious thinking that the GB still hangs onto. The traditions of this antiquated religion will not address the changes in communications such as the internet. The old saying is "there are no bigger fools than those that fool themselves". The GB members are the biggest fools of all for following blind teachings that reap what they sow. May they not rest in peace!