i wanted to start with a bang, so i have a question.. my girlfriend told me today that she doesn't mind me having sex with other women.
i said,"i don't want an 'open relationship'" and she replied, "i know, i can't sleep with other men, but if you do that's ok".
is this girl a lettuce leaf short of a picnic.
Maybe she's thinking of a little menage trois (sp?), but doesn't want to be the one to bring it up? Perhaps entering the bedroom at just the right time, while you're "busy" with the other woman? (I'm playing on the male fantasies here!) Seriously, I dunno. If it's not that, then I think she's testing you. Waiting to see if you love her enough to NOT do it. The female mind is very complicated. We have a tendency to contradict our words and actions.
Just my $.02,
Billygoat
interesting accidental circumstances .
have anybody but me been wondering why so many people and new posters pop up from nowhere the last weeks, attacking all and everyone?
i find this interesting; since its obvious the attackers do have a special agenda.
Kent,
Great post! I've been trying to put together my own post addressing the exact same thing. But you are so much more eloquent and succinct than I could ever be. Thanks for saving me anymore work!
Francoise,
So when the mental midgets show up here...
ROTFLMHO! Haha! Great description!
Billygoat - appreciating everyone's hard work - keeps me on my toes!
it amazes me how westernized peoples version of christianity is.
mind you, i have only been exposed to the north american version of christianity.
what made me think of this was how people today find the practice of polygamy to be disgusting.
LDH,
I actually saw the picture on the net one time...it's been awhile. The mother was only several months pregnant and the baby needed some kind of surgery in order to survive the birth process. (Heart/lung issues???) Anyways, the picture was of the baby half out of the womb, holding tightly to the doctor's finger after the surgery. Heartwrenching! Pretty amazing if I may say so myself!
Billygoat
PS: For some reason I'm thinking it was a neonatal surgeon in Houston???
being raised a jw sometimes you feel you only know conditional love.
you are only loved if you tow the line.
i only have one thing to say,.
Dave,
I can't say I've ever been in a "fowl" mood before. Do you feel like a chicken? A turkey? A quail? Just joking - trying to lighten things up a little. I am truly sorry to hear about your mother. Since both of my parents are doing well, I can only imagine what you're going through. But know that you are in my thoughts!
Love - laced with a bad joke,
Billygoat
mulan and seeker4 got me thinking in the previous thread called 'what did you do first?...'..
they both made the point that they were turning in reports when not going out on field service (tsk, tsk!
) and i remembered the times i 'cooked the books' a little and rounded up the figures, fiddled my time a little, counting time when it was not proper ministry.
I remember living in Hawaii (where the territories were in the city and in small geographical areas) and hating the fact that we didn't have to drive very far to get somewhere. It was so difficult to get your time in. Sometimes we'd walk just to take longer! Whereas in Missouri and Kansas, our congregations territory was very spread out. Which worked out great for calculating time! Start your time by dropping off a magazine at the nearest laundrymat and then drive an hour to your rural territory. Sad that you learn at such an early age to twist the truth and be manipulative!
Billygoat
in response to the commonly-repeated myth that all ex-witnesses are bitter angry people with nothing better to do then attack their former religion, i thought we should set the record straight.
where are you in life right now?
are you doing things that you always wanted to do, traveling to interesting places in your free time, making great new friends, generally enjoying life?
Great thread! But I must admit that when I first was DFed, I was as bitter as they came. I had no intention of leaving the organization. That bitterness didn't actually start to go away until a couple of years ago. My life until then was in shambles, but God's shown me grace and given me strength to pick myself up from my bootstraps. Things in my life that I'd never have if I were still a JW?
1. A great paying job that I love!
2. A church family that encourages me to grow, learn, read, and research.
3. Friends that love me unconditionally.
4. A great boyfriend that spoils me rotten.
5. A new sense of family with my non-JW family I never had as a child.
6. Henry and Mandy - my two little dogs from a local shelter.
7. The ability to travel on weekends and see the world that God's provided.
8. Helping out at nursing homes, shelters, and underpriveledged neighborhoods.
9. Conducting a weekly prayer session with other single women in my church.
10. Learning how to play softball and volleyball and any other childhood game/sport/activity that I didn't get to do as a kid.
And above all else...
A new concept of what God is. He is loving, compassionate, patient, and kind. A Father in the true sense of the word.
Billygoat
public affairs office.
for immediate release august7, 2001 .
sexual abuse of children is a terrible crime that can leave lasting emotional scars on its victims.
This whole situation makes me sick. Absolutely sick. I hope and pray that Dateline gets this story out soon. I just can't believe my family is still stuck in The Tower.
Billygoat
...or least favorite?.
just for fun of course.. i just posted on the top 10 movies to take on a desert island and it had me wonder.. anyways....as to my favorite:.
"there is no spoon.
Gosh - I love quoting movie lines! This is as narrowed down as I could get!
"Son, you have a panty on yo head."
- Raising Arizona
"I'm a prickly pear!"
- Leaving Las Vegas
"I gave her my heart. She gave me a pen."
- Say Anything...
"I'll be your Huckleberry."
- Tombstone
"Everything's ball bearings, nowadays."
- Fletch
"Get busy livin' or get busy dyin'"
- Shawshank Redemption
"I can't believe my gramma just felt me up!"
- Sixteen Candles
- The Big Lebowski
"Hakuna Matatta"
- The Lion King
"I'd rather have had one smell of her hair, one touch of her skin, one kiss from her lips than an eternity without one."
- City of Angels
did being in the org really screw up your idea of what dating is.. i gues you would have to had "courted" in the org to answer this question.. the orgs idea of dating is in a sense to get married.. while outside.... marriage isnt even thought of for a looooong while.. my question is because i dont know if a girl is .
being casual or brushing me off : )
I left the dubs when I was 19. Hadn't been on a date at all up to that point. Chaperoned or not. When I finally was freed, I didn't have any social skills with those of the opposite sex. Very pathetic. I thought if a man wanted to have sex with me that meant he wanted spend the rest of his life with me. Very, very pathetic!!!
"Dating" means different things to different people. I think there are different types of dating. This is how I've begun to look at it:
Casual dating
Not exclusively with anybody, but more hanging out with a couple different people. This is a great way to decide what characteristics you like or don't like in a relationship. It's always best to be up front in this type of dating. Let the datees know you're dating other people and not looking for something serious. I did this for the first time last summer and it was great fun! I made some wonderful guy friends!
Exclusive dating
Pretty self-explanatory. Just dating one person. It is understood between two parties that you are a "couple".
Serious dating
I look at this as step two of Exclusive dating. It is understood that you are a "couple with a possible future".
Mug-Buddy dating
This is a very casual relationship with someone you don't necessarily like, but you have great chemistry with. Usually not much talking. Lots of making out. Both parties must fully understand the fact that there is really no future for this relationship. This can be fun too under the right circumstances.
I have learned that being upfront with my expectations and desires is the best route. I don't like playing games. I say what I want up front and express what I can give up front. It may make some guys mad or feel a little intimidated, but it saves heartache and awkwardness in the long run.
For Blind-Date tips, please see my thread in the Personal Relationships column. You'll bust a gut!
Billygoat
i am very sad this morning.. i just found out this morning that a man that i grew up with and have known since i was a very young girl commited suicide earlier this week.
i had not seen him in 11 years, since i left the kingdom hall for the last time.
he was about 5 years older than me.
(((Stacey)))
I'm so sorry to hear about your friend. I know the hole that suicide can create in one's heart. You always think, "If only...". You and your friend's loved ones are in my prayers.
God bless,
Billygoat
