Very interesting, OnTheWayOut. I have always believed that the real source of WTS money, is their property, using it as collateral for loans. (I worked in a bank for some time handling things like that). This person's layout of the plan, fits what I have known. The WTS has always been about money, not the spiritual status of its members. I am going to see if I can find the link to his other podcasts, can you pm me one?
Posts by blondie
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25"Brother Jodie jenelle began his bethel service in in 1990....."
by nowwhat? inbut what they don't say he left started and ran a real estate company and a global real estate consulting firm and apparently after making a fortune come back to bethel a few years ago.
how in the hell could a non lifer now be anointed and appointed to be a gb member.
sure can't be for his spiritual qualifications!.
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2024*S*147**A&R
by Atlantis ina&r means announcements and reminders.. 2024**s*147. here:.
https://pdfhost.io/v/diikuykdl_untitled_1 .
petra!
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blondie
Must be desperate, asking for "young ones" and "brothers and sisters" to apply.
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"Brother Jodie jenelle began his bethel service in in 1990....."
by nowwhat? inbut what they don't say he left started and ran a real estate company and a global real estate consulting firm and apparently after making a fortune come back to bethel a few years ago.
how in the hell could a non lifer now be anointed and appointed to be a gb member.
sure can't be for his spiritual qualifications!.
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blondie
LeeMerk, good tongue-in-cheek remark about real estate investing is an important skill for a GB member. :)
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Experiences After Leaving
by Freeatlast2024 ini am writing to ask if anyone cares to share their experience and/or offer advice for people leaving.
i was raised in the religion, and both my parents died when i was very young.
i recently stopped associating because my conscience no longer allows me to preach or support the organization.
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blondie
This post is a great example of the great value of JWN. When I stopped attending, I did not know where to go, where there were others who thought like me and had similar experiences, there were not as many places as there now. Simon had started a previous discussion group, that i found was sooo helpful. He then designed JWN, which reaches even more people. We all have own experiences with the WTS, but finding someone who had the same experiences, lifts you up. And many suggestions on how to leave quietly or suddenly depending on your own circumstances. Explanations of the false reasoning of the WTS, and how to make similar examinations on your own. I want to see these resources continue and be a good part of it.
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Serious sinner?
by Gorb inwith the statement in the study watchtower this sunday, that stop serving jehovah is a serious sin, the following:.
- can i conclude now, that we, (i, wife and 2 children), since 2008 pomo and no longer active in any religious activity, are serious sinners for jehovahs witnesses?.
writing this in a watchtower, a statement like that, could have big implications.. it makes me so sad.
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blondie
truthlover, many good points; especially the one about the holy spirit being dropped from the baptism questions, being replaced with "spirit-directed organization" While I was researching some other point, I stumbled on that and was stunned.
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Ten reasons Jehovah’s Witnesses have the true religion (plus a bonus one)
by slimboyfat inthinking back when i was a true believer these are probably the top ten reasons why i believed jws are the true religion.
1. they show love among themselves by not going to war.
not killing your fellow believers in any circumstances, including war, would seem to be a very basic requirement for true christianity.
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blondie
Rivergang, I would agree that Bible Students would vehemently disagree that Russell founded Jehovah's witnesses and that Rutherford did in 1931 when he renamed Bible Students as Jehovah's Witnesses. I had talked to many and attended their meetings and had meals with them. Jws today do not know the WT history, despite the Proclaimers book which artfully peppers their history in many places, so jws don't make the connections. But the Bible Students do publish Russell's teachings still.
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A jury acquits Jehovah’s Witness in PA.
by was a new boy intrial of lancaster city jehovah’s witness member accused of molestation begins.
jose antonio serrano.
lancaster county prison.
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blondie
Actually, the government can find a jw sexual predator guilty, give them a long prison sentence; and the congregation elders will let that person stay in the congregation if they admit their "sin" and "repent" as if sexual predators won't prey again. I have seen it happen in several occasions in the media when the WTS is asked why they stay approved in the congregation. Scary, right! The WTS says they only regulate sins, not "crimes." Just recently the WTS said this in the August 2024 WT pages 29,30: " In certain circumstances the elders need to be especially careful before reinstating someone. For example, if a person was guilty of child abuse or apostasy or if he schemed to end a marriage, the elders would want to be sure that he is truly repentant. (Mal. 2:14; 2 Tim. 3:6) They must protect the flock. At the same time, we need to realize that Jehovah will accept back any wrongdoer who shows genuine repentance and stops engaging in wrong conduct. So although the elders exercise due caution with those who have dealt treacherously with others, they should not go so far as to say that certain types of sinners can never receive Jehovah’s mercy.c—1 Pet. 2:10.
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Thank goodness for the org's insights!
by BoogerMan inw52 2/1 p. 78 par.
7 jehovah’s theocratic organization today "when christ came for judgment in 1918 (1) he found some associated with this group that thought the lord had delayed his coming and they were oppressing their fellow slaves in christ.
these were cast off as the “evil slave” class.
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blondie
Is that called self-confirming?
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Serious sinner?
by Gorb inwith the statement in the study watchtower this sunday, that stop serving jehovah is a serious sin, the following:.
- can i conclude now, that we, (i, wife and 2 children), since 2008 pomo and no longer active in any religious activity, are serious sinners for jehovahs witnesses?.
writing this in a watchtower, a statement like that, could have big implications.. it makes me so sad.
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blondie
3rdgen, that elder misapplied the scripture from Hebrews 10:24,25 about missing meetings to verses 26 through 29 improperly as being the unforgivable sin. So many jws personally applied this, the WTS had to print an answer to question is missing meetings the unforgivable sin. It is not per the finally parts of the Questions from Readers in the November 1, 1980 Watchtower p. 30-31. Yes,1980. I have found that too many jws disregard or don't notice the correction and continue to apply, deadly if an elder does and makes it a point to be disfellowshipped for.
Watchtower 11/1/1980 p. 30-31
● Does the missing of Christian meetings in itself constitute an unforgivable sin, since, at Hebrews 10:24-29, the apostle Paul speaks of this sin right after discussing the importance of meetings?
Failure to heed the command to attend Christian meetings is serious and could lead to disastrous consequences for a servant of Jehovah. However, more is involved in committing the unforgivable sin…
Failure to heed the command to attend Christian meetings is serious and could lead to disastrous consequences for a servant of Jehovah. However, more is involved in committing the unforgivable sin...
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Serious sinner?
by Gorb inwith the statement in the study watchtower this sunday, that stop serving jehovah is a serious sin, the following:.
- can i conclude now, that we, (i, wife and 2 children), since 2008 pomo and no longer active in any religious activity, are serious sinners for jehovahs witnesses?.
writing this in a watchtower, a statement like that, could have big implications.. it makes me so sad.
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blondie
the WTS makes it clear that thinking that shows that not being fully loyal to the WTS thinking is the sin.
Independent thinking
The Creator progressively reveals the truth to his people. Hence, our understanding of the Scriptures is bound to be refined from time to time. The vast majority of Jehovah’s people rejoice over such refinements. A few become “righteous overmuch” and resent the changes. Pride may play a role, and some fall into the trap of independent thinking. Whatever the reason, such murmuring is hazardous, since it can draw us back into the world and its ways.
Such thinking is an evidence of pride. And the Bible says: “Pride is before a crash, and a haughty spirit before stumbling.”) If we get to thinking that we know better than the organization, we should ask ourselves: “Where did we learn Bible truth in the first place? Would we know the way of the truth if it had not been for guidance from the organization? Really, can we get along without the direction of God’s organization?” No, we cannot!—.