Posts by ko38

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Why is it....Help me with this question please?

by avishai in

why is it that the only time they will announce why someone was df'd from the platform is for apostacy?

but if someone is a direct threat to children, raping them, they won't say why?

it just does'nt make sense.

ko38

Ive never heard a reason announced either.The talk following kind of gave hints thoigh with out being obvious.What i feel is strange is that if the world in all its debauchery requires sex offenders and molestors to be labled identified and registered,why doesnt the society in their HIGH MORAL GROUND CLAIMS st least do the same if not more?

IT was my experience that even though a reason wasnt given to the cong,most everyone found out why anyway.There was 1 Elder who couldnt keep a secret at all.Not even about his self.I had to show him from the dictionary what apostate meant.HE and They were teaching that an apostate was the EVIL SLAVE and that those are the ones that committed the unforgivable sin.

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Ray Franz.

by Englishman in

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i typed "ray franz" into my wt cd library.

this is what was in the kingdom ministry of august, 1980:.

announcements.

ko38

Its amazing that Ray is the only gb member to write an expose.Or is he the only one?

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What does the Watchtower gain...

by homme perdu in

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by recruiting new members,expanding.

is it money?

ko38

why would they expand the printing fascilities further when the growth over all has went flat?

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What would you say to a JW at your door?

by Undecided in

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i will say:i don't need the watchtower magazine because i already know what it says: since i'm an apostate, wicked slave class worldly person and don't beleive the new light from the governing body of the faithful and discrete slave class, i will be buzzard meat at armageddon very soon now, unless there is more new light about it not being as soon as predicted, like so many times before.

ken p.

ko38

Yeah thats my problem.They all know me or i would start a study with them so i could show them some apostate Good news.

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NOW WHAT

by jt stumbler in

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ok. i'm almost finished with c.c.

really good published evidence against the gb.

i don't think i will become an atheist as many have but where do i go now.

ko38

I FELT THE SAME WAY ive only been out for about a month.as all the fine posts here have encouraged you to find peace wiyh yourself i will say it can happen.Read crisus of conscience by Ray Franz ex gb member.Then read in search of christian freedom,his second book.

What it did for me was proove all the falsehoods the jws teach.No doubt in my mind that they only care about promoting that corporation.It didnt make me hate them(close)but it really gave me the assurance that they are just men and there is no divine guidance through them or anyone else for that matter.

If you read those books closely(i read each twice) i think you will start to see that organised religion was not what jesus or true christians ever promoted. i know youre reading coc now,I would read it again and then get the next book.Fight the urge to join another church group,because you will start the cycle over again.

I too had the urge to pray to jesus,but i know at least according to the nt bible that worship belongs to God.And as someone said since no one actually knows the name of God calling him Jehovah is ok.Its as close as we have and i dont think He is going to mind.Im going to have to get some other translations so i can compare.ive read a lot of the changes theyve made to the bible at freeminds.com.

It makes me think about them as being the one talked about (Satan transforms himself into an angel of light)I have a large family (4) kids and i am slowly teaching them the things that ive learned. Its going to take time,but you know what? they are young and there will be plenty of time they are good kids and i dont think i should force or shove anything down their throats.So we will read a little together and talk about real life more.I can see my older ones are relieved already.

Its the holidays i have to figure out next.........What everybody here says is true, once you decide you dont need anyone else for salvation you will feel the weight of stress drop or at least lessen. Good luck to you.(we havent said good luck in a while huh?)

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What is Mankind's Greatest Mystery?

by Blueblades in

is it the mind / body riddle?

or, the material brain / and consciousness.

what to you is mankind's greatest mystery?.

ko38

I 2nd the overbeer.what if their were 10 trillion bibles written for 10 trillion different species?where in the evolving process of understanding are all the rest?And how do we rank in the standings?

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Artificial Life Closer

by Satanus in

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/science/nature/4104483.stm

researchers at rockefeller university in the us have made the first tentative steps towards creating a form of artificial life.

the soft cell walls are made of fat molecules taken from egg white.

ko38

Satanus,in your opinion do you feel that this would qualify as to snatching to equality of God?

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Is it right for Man to rule Man?

by ko38 in

hello once again to those that were helpful to me in my time of leaving the wbts.i said i wouldnt post for a while,but it turns out ive learned a lot in the past 2 weeks.so here goes with my shot of seeing if im adjusting according to schedule.. in my search of my own christian freedom i have found myself led down a path that is a simple one.that being the path of acceptance.the acceptance of my own sinful nature and that of others.im not saying that it is coming easy,i am only saying that i see the need.. imho when looking for salvation i myself feel that it is not to us to judge.several of us agree on that.but that is not easy for us to do as humans,i was looking for someone or something to replace the wbts but after some personal study of the scriptures and some help from all the links and archives here i have come to a point of humility.. in all things in this world the one thing we want most is love.what does that mean?

some may say it means the love of a spouse or the love recieved from your children etc...i know being both a married man with a wife that loves me and i her that those bonds are strong and bring comfort.my children for both myself and my wife bring a sense of joy to our hearts and we love them.. i think i might be at least on the right track when i feel love for those other than my family.the story about the good sammaritan is a very good example.to be loving to those who otherwise do not have your best interest at heart is the challenge that jesus christ has set before us.. this is more directed towards new ones out of the grip of the watchtower bible and tract societys dogmatic and unsupported claims to be the only channel to salvation.which upon minimal searching of the truth is proved both false and misleading.. jehovahs witnesses find it difficult to realise that their salvation is in jesus.most often only mentioning him as we pray through or in his name.

i wonder at least for myself, if god isnt trying his hardest to wait until we see how simple salvation really is.he has given us a way to be forgiven and so many choose not to make full use of it.when all it may have very well taken was a belief in jesus and a turning around of our sins.. wow,that sure beats the things we all for the most part have gone through with the jws.to be bitter is not a loving course,because most are bitter with god after coming out of an oppresive cult as the jws.god nor jesus told us to do this it was our fault and satans.why not have the love for god once again and believe in the ransom that jesus paid.. mans religion will always lead to sorrow lets please all have the hope and love of the savior our lord jesus christ..........ken

ko38

Good for you and yours. I wish you the best.

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Comparing molested children to prostitutes.

by avishai in

here is an excerpt from the "beware the voice of strangers" talk from the 2003 district convention.

this part is obviously referring to the "dateline" special.

notice how they subtly compare the victims with prostitution and insinuate that they are immoral?

ko38

Molestation is one thing that makes me give up on love thy brother.especialy children.Makes me want to be like Charles Bronson in the old vigilante movies.

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Is it right for Man to rule Man?

by ko38 in

hello once again to those that were helpful to me in my time of leaving the wbts.i said i wouldnt post for a while,but it turns out ive learned a lot in the past 2 weeks.so here goes with my shot of seeing if im adjusting according to schedule.. in my search of my own christian freedom i have found myself led down a path that is a simple one.that being the path of acceptance.the acceptance of my own sinful nature and that of others.im not saying that it is coming easy,i am only saying that i see the need.. imho when looking for salvation i myself feel that it is not to us to judge.several of us agree on that.but that is not easy for us to do as humans,i was looking for someone or something to replace the wbts but after some personal study of the scriptures and some help from all the links and archives here i have come to a point of humility.. in all things in this world the one thing we want most is love.what does that mean?

some may say it means the love of a spouse or the love recieved from your children etc...i know being both a married man with a wife that loves me and i her that those bonds are strong and bring comfort.my children for both myself and my wife bring a sense of joy to our hearts and we love them.. i think i might be at least on the right track when i feel love for those other than my family.the story about the good sammaritan is a very good example.to be loving to those who otherwise do not have your best interest at heart is the challenge that jesus christ has set before us.. this is more directed towards new ones out of the grip of the watchtower bible and tract societys dogmatic and unsupported claims to be the only channel to salvation.which upon minimal searching of the truth is proved both false and misleading.. jehovahs witnesses find it difficult to realise that their salvation is in jesus.most often only mentioning him as we pray through or in his name.

i wonder at least for myself, if god isnt trying his hardest to wait until we see how simple salvation really is.he has given us a way to be forgiven and so many choose not to make full use of it.when all it may have very well taken was a belief in jesus and a turning around of our sins.. wow,that sure beats the things we all for the most part have gone through with the jws.to be bitter is not a loving course,because most are bitter with god after coming out of an oppresive cult as the jws.god nor jesus told us to do this it was our fault and satans.why not have the love for god once again and believe in the ransom that jesus paid.. mans religion will always lead to sorrow lets please all have the hope and love of the savior our lord jesus christ..........ken

ko38

Narkissos,that is an interesting scripture.Have you stopped looking to church groups as a source for salvation?I know i have.