i thought this article from the september 2001 kingdom ministry was very interesting.. get out there and sell those books!!!.
is it an obstacle to preaching?.
most people lead busy lives.
: ...And who is going to look after these people when they retire when they haven't contributed to any pension plans or they don't have any savings or investments?
Don't you know their families will have to carry the burden. And if they don't have family there are government programs. But don't assume the congregation would do it. No no. They have to take care of the "preaching work."
i post the following at the request of barbara anderson.. .
as a result of the newspaper report calling attention to my actions i feel compelled to provide further information that has come to light and deserves full exposure.. the society is very much aware of my intentions, because of a private e-mail i innocently wrote someone was forwarded to the society without my permission.
you can read it in its entirety, below.
Maximus, I read your posts daily with such enthusiasm. I literally look forward to reading them. But this is really the first time I direct a post to you.
You seem to know so much about what is going on. YOu know exactly how this is affecting the leadership in Brooklyn. Are you still connected in some way to the society? I can tell you were once in a leadership role yourself. Did you leave because of your conscience? If so, are there more like you?
This situation with Barbara Anderson is almost unbelievable. I pray to God that she does get to go on Oprah or on the Today Show. I pray that Time and Newsweek both interview her. I HOPE she is our "Elian". The madness has to stop.
Is this the end for the Watchtower? I hope so. No more pain and suffering for all those families who have been raped by the society. Validation - finally - for all the silentlambs. Validation for all of us!
Please keep posting more tid-bits.
i post the following at the request of barbara anderson.. .
as a result of the newspaper report calling attention to my actions i feel compelled to provide further information that has come to light and deserves full exposure.. the society is very much aware of my intentions, because of a private e-mail i innocently wrote someone was forwarded to the society without my permission.
you can read it in its entirety, below.
Thank you for being such a brave person. You had much to lose but your actions show that you care about the little ones. My daughter was molested by a little JW girl her same age who spent the night at our home. The girls were only eight years old. After about a week, my daughter came to me and told me that the other little girl had rubbed her privates, french kissed her, rubbed her boobies and tried to get on top of her and spread her legs with her knees.
I was very upset so I told the elders. The reason I was so upset wasn't only because this had happened to my innocent child. It was because I knew the other little girl had learned it from someone. The elders told me to drop it. I literally begged them to investigate how the other little girl learned to do those things. They said they asked the girl's father who told them she had learned it from "watching music videos." Now if that wasn't a bogus story.
My mother's intuition told me there was more to it and now I knew the girl's father was sweeping it under the rug. (His reaction was not concerned the way I had been. It was not natural for a loving father to not care.) The elders told me that once I inform them of a situation it is "no longer [my] business." They also informed me that they would investigate no further, nor even talk to the little girl because they had to "respect the wishes of her dad who was the head of the family." They also told me to "never, ever, ever say the word 'molest' about anyone in the organization!" The elder who talked to me even said that at the Ministerial Training School this topic had been discussed and it was orders from God's organization. Talk about a guilt trip.
At the time, I believed it was an isolated incident. My daughter didn't suffer nearly as much as little Erica nor many others. Now I know how widespread this problem is. And I also know why the elders acted the way they did. They made me feel as though *I* was the one doing something wrong in wanting to investigate. They even implied that my daughter could have been lying or exaggerating. Imagine a little eight year old making something like that up! It seemed to me then, and I can see it clearly now that the organization not only covers up what they know to be molestation, but when something like this comes to light, they instruct the elders to "nip it in the bud." They literally closed their eyes to it.
I have no knowledge what really the situation was. I only know nobody wanted to find out. This little girl possibly needed protection, but the name of "God's" organization was much more important. The gag order was put in place and it was buried deep in the closet, along with all the others.
Anyways, this was long-winded. But I just wanted to say thank you and God bless you!
well my friend, after a second attempt to reach out to me and give me the decision last night i received an unexpected visit from two of the local elders.
apparently the two wts agents decided to pass the torch to the local elders this time.
this was organized by the co along with wts instructions.
Truthexodus, more power to you for being the better person. The WTS is afraid of men like you because they know they are wrong. Remember what Jesus said, "There is nothing hidden that will not come into the light." All of those men's evil deeds will come to the light - even now we see it. They are afraid. They are cowards! That is why they disfellowship. Because they are cowards and it is easier to sweep the problem under the rug than it is to address it. I hope they are reading this board. To mimmic their own words, "They are put on notice!" We are not the judges but imagine being Rutherford, Franz or any other of the leaders of this Satanic corporation on judgement day! I would hate to be in their shoes! I think maybe they are atheists and don't believe in God. Otherwise, they know their evil deeds and they must tremble every night, knowing their own corrupt hearts.
You do have many friends. And may God bless you and your family with peace on your road now to freedom.
to the readers of this board: .
i do have more boe letters than published at the moment, but i would naturally wish to have as many as possible.
therefore, the ones having such letters, i would be extremely thankful for scannings of such letters.
up for all to see.
tri-city herald.
by shirley wentworth.
ritzville - erica rodriguez and her mother, alejandra garza, broke down and cried when the verdict came in.. it took slightly less than four hours for a seven-man, five-woman adams county superior court jury to declare manuel beliz, 48, of othello guilty of two counts of first-degree child rape and two counts of first-degree child molestation.
Farkel, I take it this is the "big thing" that you talked about on old H2O that had me all crazy for so long. You were right! It is BIG, BIG, BIG!
Sayonara Watchtower Society!
jehovah, high protector and god of the pedophile.. in biblical days, when women and children, male children excepted of course, being considered little more than cattle and livestock, to have sex with children was just one additional privilege of the male.
you know, those who had the good fortune to be born with a penis.
in a society like that you had to be quick and start at an early age to be able to "scoop up" a virgin.
I think the Bible is full of stories like our "Crying wolf" stories and our "The sky is falling" stories. We all know there really is no historical value to these stories, but they get the message across.
well, here it is, after almost 20 years 12 of those serving in position of responsibility it comes down to my spiritual execution(jw style).
allow me to explain.
for those who you who still remember me from h20 under the name truthexodus i came to post my experience as an elder of local congregation in nyc area.
Hey You(don't)know(jack): Can you please answer me this sincere question: What took "Jehovah" so long? If Exodus was really abusing his sheep, isn't Jehovah responsible for not getting rid of the problem sooner? And why would Jehovah need eight people's hearsay to do so? And how do you know that there aren't more elders that Jehovah is allowing to abuse his little sheep? Maybe one or two in each hall even. Really, how do you know Jehovah even cares since he obviously allows this? And how clean is your congregation *really*?
well, here it is, after almost 20 years 12 of those serving in position of responsibility it comes down to my spiritual execution(jw style).
allow me to explain.
for those who you who still remember me from h20 under the name truthexodus i came to post my experience as an elder of local congregation in nyc area.
Truthexodus - one more point. I think you should make a copy of JR Brown's PR statement and highlight the "untrained clergy" part and handwrite in your own writing somewhere on the page something to the effect of: "I apologize but, due to this copy of the Watchtower's official press release, I will not be able to attend a meeting with 'untrained clergy'. Should you ever decide to train your clergy, please inform me and I will consider attending a meeting at that time." Then cc your attorney in plain view so they can all see. Send a copy of this to all the elders in your area. Let them see that they are being called "untrained clergy" by their own idol.
well, here it is, after almost 20 years 12 of those serving in position of responsibility it comes down to my spiritual execution(jw style).
allow me to explain.
for those who you who still remember me from h20 under the name truthexodus i came to post my experience as an elder of local congregation in nyc area.
((((Exodus))))
I remember you from the old H2O. I am sorry that you will be another pawn in this sick little charade of the WTS. I hope it makes you feel better to know that the end is near for those "untrained" ignorant men at the top. All that awaits them is judgment. I would hate to be in their shoes.
So you said Dateline is interested in a segment on shunning? Wonderful -- let the whole world see the Watchtower Society for what it really is. Too many people think, "Oh JW's are such good people - a little strange but good." Yeah right! I do know many good JW's, albeit deceivingly being used by a corrupt corporation disguized as a religion.
Keep posting. We will be here to support you!
