Obviously you've never been in an airport when the troops come off a plane. There is almost always an ovation. Frankly, I consider your remark one of the more ignorant I've heard. Even the leftist ant-war bunch wants to "Bring The Troops Home!"
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Is the average American afraid of the return of its troops?
by Gill inis the ordinary american, afraid of the return of their service men from iraq?
without a doubt, these young men have been traumatised by everything they have done, or seen done.
how damaged are they now?
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Former sisters, remember the pant suit controversy in the seventies?
by Sunnygal41 ini was in my late 'teens, working for my own money, and polyester pant suits were all the rage in fashion.
working at mc'donald's, i was able to afford two nice matching suits, with the jacket and vest, and a matching shirt...........these i wore to meetings, when i went.
then, the jw grapevine went into action, regarding the suitablity for a sister to be wearing pants at a meeting.
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Fangorn
I know one elder that really hated pants suits but had no problem with taking his wife to the surgeon to get a 38D chest. How weird is that?
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Extra training ... so you know that shooting babies is WRONG ?!?
by Simon inhow dumb and pathetic.. no extra training should be necessary for even slightly trained and disciplined soldiers.
i guess it is for some of the rabble that the us call "troops" though.. of course the real problem is not just those on the ground that have committed the latest attrocity.
it is the chain of command that tried to cover it up and all the way up to the president who sanctions bombing of civilian targets with nothing more than rumour for "intelligence".. from now on america, you are on your own.
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Fangorn
"From now on America, you are on your own. Who knows which sides people will be on next time you want to start a war." How great it would be if America could be on it's own. Unfortunately she always has to bail out the ignorant, the ineffectual, the unprepared, the cowardly, the useless appeasers and apologists who scream at her until the bad guys are coming through the door and then demand that she come to their aid. Eurostan and Englandstan are coming, I hope you enjoy it and I hope we leave your sorry asses to deal with it.
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Bethel Downsizing - Management Discussions
by core in.
the spin on downsizing is apparently "go out into the field" yet when the gb initially considered this it must have been presented as a practical problem - too much surplus hr capacity/ too expensive to maintain - or whatever and yet they turned it into a positive matter by stressing the return to the field - all those in such discussions are clearly able to deceive themselves as much as they try and deceive the "flock" - what do you think - did a discussion on a practical problem have to have a positive outcome and how did they twist their minds so as to sell it as such - for years they begged people to stay in bethel service (make it your home for life) and now they cast them out into the world with the thin veneer of "speedin g up the preaching work .. etc".
all those at the top must have been involved in turning this huge embarrasment (jehovah will provide etc) into a positive spin - they should try out for a marketing award "downsizing - the only way to grow!
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Fangorn
SAP has wrecked a lot of companies. It may finally mean the downfall of the organization! The diabolical thing takes over every aspect of your business and controls everything that you do, everything becomes very visible. Maybe that's a good thing, some consistency in the organization would be nice.
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Did you know of any JW's brothers that were "wife beaters"? Were they DF'd?
by booker-t inyears ago when i was attending my old kh there was an elder that was very stern.
bro glen(not his real name) used to be very firm in telling students about their talks not being good, or where they needed to improve.
i know i was "terrified" of bro glen.
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I know of a guy named Christian, now a CO, who was about as verbally abusive to his wife and his kids as he could be. Both kids no longer Witnesses, one was charged with child abuse. He's still a rompin' stompin' hard case Circuit Overseer and his wife still won't say boo to a mouse.
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Elder says no to congregation picnic: Brooklyn says no large gatherings
by truthseeker inour congregation has really gone down in recent months.
the friends don't talk to each other, there have been many disfellowshippings and jc's.. an elder i was talking to in the kh after the meeting says that "he and the other elders would like to have a congregation picnic but can't because bethel disapproves of large social gatherings.".
i looked at this elder and felt sorry for him - it was like hearing a child cry because mother wouldn't let him outside to play baseball.. the cong.
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Fangorn
In my experience this is usually an over reaction by the local elders. Some are a whole lot more comfortable just saying no to almost anything. I know of many congregations that are considered spiritually strong with prominent elders that hold congregation gatherings and no one thinks anything about it. There has been some specific direction about multi-congregation gatherings or situations where people pay to get in but anything beyond that is local interpretation.
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What is the most stupid thing you ever did?!!!
by Spectrum inbtw: excluding joining jwism unless it's too intriguing not to say.
here's mine: .
it was in the day when the paraffin man went around selling to those that still had the old paraffin burners to keep their house warm.
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Fangorn
No, never spent much time in Illinois, probably a good thing I didn't run in to those guys or we might all be in bits now.
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May 28--Four years since Dateline's JW sex abuse program aired. Results?
by AndersonsInfo insunday, may 28, 2006, is the fourth anniversary from when a threshold was crossed into uncharted waters.
on may 28, 2002, the u.s. television news program, dateline, publicized to millions of viewers the facts about watchtower's deceitful child abuse policies which protect pedophiles who target and molest jws' vulnerable children.
subsequently, this subject caught the interest of media throughout the world who, through careful investigation, substantiated the allegations made on dateline.
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Fangorn
Barbara, thanks very much for the information. I feel somewhat better about the statement now and I know it's really hard to nail down hard numbers on this kind of thing.
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What is the most stupid thing you ever did?!!!
by Spectrum inbtw: excluding joining jwism unless it's too intriguing not to say.
here's mine: .
it was in the day when the paraffin man went around selling to those that still had the old paraffin burners to keep their house warm.
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Fangorn
Let's see, there was the gravel birthday cake with firecrackers for candles, the can of carbide in the trash can with water in the bottom, the gasoline distilling operation, drilling into the pressurized tank, the dynamite fishing expedition. It's amazing what you can do with less than ten fingers.
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May 28--Four years since Dateline's JW sex abuse program aired. Results?
by AndersonsInfo insunday, may 28, 2006, is the fourth anniversary from when a threshold was crossed into uncharted waters.
on may 28, 2002, the u.s. television news program, dateline, publicized to millions of viewers the facts about watchtower's deceitful child abuse policies which protect pedophiles who target and molest jws' vulnerable children.
subsequently, this subject caught the interest of media throughout the world who, through careful investigation, substantiated the allegations made on dateline.
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Fangorn
Hamsterbait I'm afraid that your little extrapolation is absolutely no evidence whatsoever. I'd be very happy if someone could demonstrate that tens of thousands had left because of this issue but I am not going to live in a fantasy world because that's what I'd like to believe. Too may people on this board make unproven and unprovable assertions. That's Watchtower Land, you want to live there that's fine, I will not, I like facts with real evidence not wishful fabrication.