will die hard jw's see any control issues with the sept km?
i once brought up the fact to my jw that jw's were not allowed to get together informally to do any kind of 'bible' studies without the approval of the elders, gb, etc.. he said that was totally ridiculous and false, more apostate lies.
this was long ago now and i'm not sure he even remembers saying it.
Gary,
In the past I would have disagreed with your analysis. But, now, I am not sure you're far off the mark. The WTS seems to be do their own form of separating work. The question seems to be: how will those in the congregations react to this new situation?
the other thread about leeches got me thinking, can jw's use those absolutely disgusting bugs you may find in rotten garbage but also is used to treat gangrene?
i will not say what it rhymes with as that would be politically incorrect but i also cannot type that word nor say it, it is too disgusting and give me the willies.
this 'bug' eats dead flesh anyway.
That's the exactl article I had in mind.
Good find.
That last paragraph is a real stinker.
i just found out about an hour ago.
he wasn't even old enough to drink yet.. to make it even sh*ttier, he had called me a few weeks ago and asked if he could come out here with me but i couldn't do it at the time.
so of course the first thing that comes to mind is if i had done something different it wouldn't have happened.. he was going through the sh*t as i call it, when witnesses go off the deep end and get into everything in the world to stop hurting and they don't even know what is wrong.
Oh WLG I am so so sorry. (((((WLG)))))
the other thread about leeches got me thinking, can jw's use those absolutely disgusting bugs you may find in rotten garbage but also is used to treat gangrene?
i will not say what it rhymes with as that would be politically incorrect but i also cannot type that word nor say it, it is too disgusting and give me the willies.
this 'bug' eats dead flesh anyway.
I'll look up the reference on the CD but the use of leeches is not acceptable. Because they eat blood.
-the fact that it makes no sense because God created them to eat blood seems irrelevant to the dubs.
yep, i put the sept. km question box on youtube.i set it to the song "clampdown" by the clash.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bhvhe4no_bi
http://youtube.com/profile?user=truthbookblue
Love it. Just love it.
It's great to see so many anti-witness things showing up on you tube.
well i have vowed to celebrate the holidays, come hell or high water.
so i sent my wife a nice bouquet of flowers to her work, with a big happy b-day balloon and card.
well she gets it and is all excited.
Fantastic Sinis.
That is a really big step.
It sounds like she's decided for herself that birthdays are ok. People who aren't familiar with the witnesses would laugh at us to hear us get so excited about this - but it a big deal.
Who knows what she'll decide is ok next.
Keep up the good work.
i had a good discussion saturday night with my witness wife about how the society is basically a modern-day version of the pharisees and how jesus condemned them in his day and how he would condemn the society today.
does anyone have any good points or any insight into comparing the society with pharisees?
anything you have would be helpful so i could get my thoughts together and figure out a way to approach this subject with her in the future whenever it comes up..
Erandir,
sounds like you have a mate that questions like mine. I've come to realize that no answer would really satisfy. But,
As far as the letters be sent to congregations goes; I would ask who sent the letters?
Paul was out in the missionary work, on his own, writing letters to the congregations that he started.
-who did paul consult with before writing letters?
-who did paul say taught him everything he needed to know
-how does paul speak about the leaders of the jerusalem church (Gal. 2)
The one letter that the Jerusalem council sent wasn't sent by just the council, it was sent by: (Acts 15:22,23) "Then the apostles and presbyters, in agreement with the whole church, decided to choose representatives and to send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. The ones chosen were Judas, who was called Barsabbas, and Silas, leaders among the brothers. 2 3 This is the letter delivered by them: "The apostles and the presbyters, your brothers, to the brothers in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia of Gentile origin: greetings. "
-who sent it? Just small governing body of apostles? older men? whole congregation?
-who received it? every congregation? every christian? specific locale? christians with specific background?
Your other point was about the association of brothers being so large that control is needed for unity.
-what truly is unity?
- is there a difference between conformity and unity? what? does it matter?
-Jesus is the head of the organization. Is he not capable of handling matters whether there is 1 or 100million chrisitans?
-What unity does the bible actually speak of?
-Who is actually responsible for saving anyone? (1 example: Ephesians 2:8-10)
I know this won't answer everything someone brings up and maybe some of it just doesn't make sense to anyone but me, but I hope it helps if the conversation every comes up again. This board is where I learned to ponder these things and try to apply some real logic to my bible study (alright no joking - I'm still learning).
Good luck.
i am still working on my wife, some progress is being made, but it is slow going.. here is how i plan to reason with her regarding the 9/07 km article on "non-endorsed" methods of study.
feel free to use or adapt yourself, if you are in a similar situation.. .
suppose that one day a stranger calls the house when i am not at home.
That logic is completely false!
You are forgetting that the FDS is 'directed by Jesus right hand of power' (WT Apr 1 07 pg. 24).
You are applying the human ability to lie and be wrong to God. God is never wrong and his organization therefore cannot be wrong. It may seem like they're wrong but that is your imperfect eyesight.
Truly, love the illustration. I really really like it. It makes the whole concept of trusting the WTS personal. Thank you for posting it.
i know there are some about, but i just can't find them at the moment.
not e-watchman: i mean like loyal witness boards.
slim .
small but loyal
the bible students in 1918 numbered very few, fewer than 6,000. within three years, the number tripled.. the "intriguing subject" they proclaimed from 1918 through 1922 was "millions now living will never die.
" upwards of 70,000 attended to hear this message proclaimed in germany alone.
the talk series had a longer title, "the world has endedmillions now living will never die.
Is somebody saying the WT isn't a false prophet?
phfaaaaaaaa that's crap.
I know I'm no expert. I'm just a simpleton.
But, if someone in a position of trust (that's the WTS to a believer) says that God says such and such will happen on such and such a date - they are a prophet. plain and simple.
To say they just get over zealous is would be ok if:
-they didn't claim spirit direction on their organization
-they didn't claim that the hand of Jesus directs the governing body (WT April 1 or 15? , 2007) - I'm pretty sure it says 'hand of Jesus' - see a simpleton; an intelligent person would run around the house and find the article before making the post. perhasp i'll find it later and follow up with the exact reference.
-they didn't say the dates they put forward are not from man but from God (again, I'll have to run around to get my references out)
I know not everyone agrees. That must be true because there are over 6 million JWs and they certainly wouldn't agree (right?)
