a textual commentary on the greek new testament, by bruce m. metzger.
chm file (e book), 1.25mb.
http://anonym-to.com/?http://rapidshare.com/files/100421737/textual_commentary-greek_new_testament.rar.
The Emphatic Diaglott (which is what witnesses used before the KIT came out and could be ordered still in the 90s; it may even be available now, not sure) says this:
John 14:14
English:
"If you ask *anything in my name, this I will do"
"*Ask me anything in my name, this I will do."
Greek
"If anything you may ask in the name of me, I will do."
i'm a 5th generation jw - and i have to admit a lot of it doesn't make sense to me.. question: if when a person dies, they go to heaven, what is the point?
question: if jesus is a perfect competent ruler, why would he need "assistants"?
discuss.
I would just add that Witnesses believe that when people die they go to heaven - they just limit the number.
Witnesses also believe that the New Testament was written for the 144,000 which is why it so clearly shows a heavenly hope for its readers.
They also believe that the great crowd can learn from the NT and they should follow it's advice but the promises therein are not for them - that is also why they can state Christ is not the great crowd's mediator - the great crowd aren't in the covenant. The great crowd are participant bystanders (oxymoron).
she can't read this now because her computer has been broken for several days.
lee is not a complainer now would dare ask for help, but though she can even build computers, she has ancient equipment and if you know her, little funds.. bottom line: she needs a $500+ cpu box to get updated to the 21st century.
if you are interested in helping her (don't email her because she won't get it, and don't call her and embarrass her yet) but this girl needs a "working car" to get back on the road, if you know what i mean.. email me at [email protected].
I wish I would have seen this earlier. Lady Lee is a gem and her needs must be met. If it wasn't for Lady Lee and a few others on this site and Freeminds I'd still be in the cult. How do you put a price tag on that?
Although I would like to ensure everyone has food for their families I can't. I can however help ensure that one person has a computer and can then help thousands (maybe more) become free of mind control.
In my humble opinion, if you haven't been around long enough to know how valuable Lady Lee is - then you probably shouldn't comment on the subject.
with his split tongue, a tattooed scalp and earlobe piercings the size of hockey pucks, it's easy to mistake richard ivey iii for a sinister character with angry, boiling insides - or a chap as peculiar as queequeg, the doomed polynesian whaler from "moby dick.
" ........... notice the word apostate tattooed on fingers.
read more: http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/09/27/704975/nose-stud-controversy-draws-attention.html#ixzz11108dr1n.
RichieRich stood up to his family and the congregation elders. He wanted to be his own person. He obtained a copy of the elders manual, with handwritten notes, and provided it to this forum.
He posted his feelings, thoughts and actions as he went through the situation of leaving the witnesses and all that entails. I give him a lot of credit for opening up and sharing. Also for moving on.
Hi Richie.
so far i've managed to avoid speaking to the elders who drop by.
just wondering if they'll eventually give up in a couple years.
anyone have experience with this?.
For a hassle free fade - I'll repeat what Gregor said - When talking to JW's "Bite your Tongue!"
http://www.jwbrothers.org/videos/2481/casa-grande-az-assembly-hall-of-jehovah's-witnesses.
how old would you say she is 7-10 yrs old?.
assembly hall just opened aug. 28.
Did anyone scroll down after the AZ video and listen to the Prince interview? He sounds crazy. I can't imagine the WTS is happy having him be an unofficial JW spokesman.
so far i've managed to avoid speaking to the elders who drop by.
just wondering if they'll eventually give up in a couple years.
anyone have experience with this?.
I did so.
i see alot of new names here lately and if you look at the log on names here there are thousands who have moved on....every 2 years the posters change.....some vent and leave, others stay on for years.
i guess moving on with your life is a good thing, i think this site helps...any thoughts?.
I enjoy reading the experiences of new ones here and lending a hand where possible.
I don't know if I'll ever be over my JWness since my immediate family are all active witnesses. The religion thing is sort of a constant undercurrent in our household.
Funny thing is though, as long as I've posted on here I've only become good friends with a handful of posters. I believe there are a lot of posters like me who stick around awhile but aren't particularly well known or popular. Perhaps it is the need to remain ultra confidential due to active family members? I don't know. I do know I love hearing other peoples perspectives on being a witness.
when i was an active jw, 40 -odd years ago in the uk, in the 2 congs i went to, we had a fair number of brothers privately called "weak".
this was implied if a bro ( or sis )didn't attend most meetings, answer up, do field service, talks etc.. they weren't reprooved for this ( as far as i know ) but "marked" so to speak'.
is this still the case?
As far as my experience goes the "weak" witnesses aren't marked officially, which would imply some wrongdoing on their part but just viewed as weak spiritually. "Strong" members of the congregation would want to assist and encourage them while at the same time being cautious of having too much association with them.
this was brought up just in passing on another thread.
but i wanted to see if there are any bethelites or ex bethelites that remember some of the crazy rules we had to follow when we were there..
If they use or used saltpeter it didn't work. Almost every person I knew was as horny as could be (myself included).
I always found that you were best friends with the other guys you worked with. Then, as a secondary layer of friendship came your roommate (if you didn't work together also) and then your tablemates (not the married guys).
It also seemed that if you came to bethel with a group of guys on the same day and went through entrance school and the lectures together you also had a special bond of friendship whether you worked or roomed together. There was something about sitting through that torturous school and lecture series that bonded people.
I remember the constant counsel that sports were not to be taken too seriously. Of course, that is exactly what we did. Which department or group won/lost a sports game was a point of major discussion and trash talk.
Some have already mentioned brother Couch and how everytime he opened his mouth it was to talk about hooooommmmooooooooosexuuuuuuals. (long and drawn out - I swear it took him a minute to say the word).
I also remember the counsel, fairly regularly, to keep bethel family matters within bethel. We weren't to talk to our literal families or congregation friends about bethel related stuff. The bethel family was likened to our real family in that some things are just not meant to be discussed with others. I think most of the wrestling in your underwear and brothers found with pornography fit into this category.
