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  progress, getting through to the family!!

  by heretic in

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  the heretic continues to fight the fine fight.

  i had a good talk with my old man today, exelder, he doesnt want any position of authority now just wants to be a witness on the downlo, he knows my problem with the un hypocrisy (hes seen the docs) and the quotes damning evidence, hes listening man, im slowly getting through, he knows that im in contact with apostates i said i do it to support disfellowshipped ones who have nobody, he doesnt have a problem with that.

  he hopes ill come back, i said i would if i could get satisfactory answers... ahh sweet.

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  yeah cheers guys, its all going better than expected. ive got my dad also mum and step dad going at the same time, its hard to keep you all up to date on the situation. as ive expressed in earlier posts im just sticking to the UN, blood issue and 'quotes' as my main reasons for losing faith, it seems to be working, if one gets stuck in their mind itll be enough to jolt them, Ive got around the 'apostate walls' by slowly mentioning 'i dont want to get into it cos youll think im an apostate' and saying 'I dont want any apostate crap i just want the facts'(when refering to my internet research especially on the UN issue). the seeds are planted my friends.. nows a time for a shout out to Simon and gang at JWD, Kents watchtower observer rip and quotes, for these three websites gave me my life back. Awesome work guys all fighting the fine fight. Well hopie welcome and thanks for throwing down your first post on my thread!! wow how jehovah has blessed my efforts aahh
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  progress, getting through to the family!!

  by heretic in

  1. jw
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  the heretic continues to fight the fine fight.

  i had a good talk with my old man today, exelder, he doesnt want any position of authority now just wants to be a witness on the downlo, he knows my problem with the un hypocrisy (hes seen the docs) and the quotes damning evidence, hes listening man, im slowly getting through, he knows that im in contact with apostates i said i do it to support disfellowshipped ones who have nobody, he doesnt have a problem with that.

  he hopes ill come back, i said i would if i could get satisfactory answers... ahh sweet.

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  the heretic continues to fight the fine fight. I had a good talk with my old man today, exelder, he doesnt want any position of authority now just wants to be a witness on the DownLo, he knows my problem with the UN hypocrisy (hes seen the docs) and the quotes damning evidence, hes listening man, im slowly getting through, he knows that im in contact with apostates i said i do it to support disfellowshipped ones who have nobody, he doesnt have a problem with that. He hopes ill come back, i said i would if i could get satisfactory answers... ahh sweet. He said he wont bring up the UN thing with anyone at the hall cos itll just create a frenzy, so hes starting to realise how it works, he also doesnt agree with the 1975 'play down' (he actually brought that one up) he said they should admit fault. the scary thing tho was when i said im researching the blood issue and he eventually was in a corner and said... wait for it "in 40 years or so your going to die anyway" I said woah dont ever say that cos it scares the hell out of me, he seemed surprised by my reaction. I need him out now.. sorry about my terrible punctuation.
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  Acknowledging the opposition within: Small number of JW's disgruntled

  by truthseeker in

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  this in regard to mary's post of the july 15, wt "see the goodness of jehovah's organization".

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/114847/1.ashx.

  there have been a number of important and exciting developments in the society during the first half of 2006. firstly, a large number of bethelites are being evicted (i wonder if the.

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  great post truthseeker. im typing a story but ill start a new thread.
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  "My Dad is Watching Pornography" JW TEEN part 2. BAD!

  by Dune in

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  for those who are not familiar with the story heres the page.

  so just to sum it up a bit, this girl caught her dad watching porn, told me about it and then talk about ways to get him to stop watching it.

  apparently she never told the elders and apparently he stopped watching porn.

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  well done dune, I think the elders might come down harder on you for getting the worldly authorities involved than the father. but hey its a good thing to get booted for. Your a CHAMPION
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  religious nut

  by heretic in

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  http://www.wimp.com/religious/

  at the end she says 'our church is hated and thats what the scriptures say would happen' urrggh

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  http://www.wimp.com/religious/ at the end she says 'our church is hated and thats what the scriptures say would happen' urrggh
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  the lion will eat straw like the lamb...

  by DannyBloem in

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  or something like that.. i think not any one real sund in mind can believe this unquestionably.. anyway, what is ths current point of view of the jw's on this?.

  is is so, that they also believe that in the time of adam and before it was literal like this?.

  db

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  when you realy think about these stories that you took as true without question it seems crazy but we were all there once so we need to be gentle with our soon to be X jw drones
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  Were YOU Wrong, or, were you WRONGED?

  by prophecor in

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  i left because of sins of the flesh.

  i held onto years worth of guilt and felt i could no longer serve jehovah with a clean conscience, as i was practicing that which was unbecoming of a christian.

  my sins were enough to assist in my walking away from the truth as i could not serve as a hypocrite and look my fellow brothers and sisters in the eye, without feeling guilty of treason.. i was wrong.

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  same boat prophecor, but a bit of both i was wronged by elders big time (the tape is comin) but 1/2 year later fornicated more than once which didnt show 'signs of repentance' and was dfed which threw it all on me, 18mths later i walked after it was apparent i couldnt (wouldnt be allowed) back in. after 1 1/2 years thinkin for myself found the 'web poison' and my mind hasnt been the same mwahahahah. Lots of people in the sydney exjw meetup group were dissed for apostacy, I said to one i wish i was but they said its the same result no matter, so I guess its not a glamorous exit no matter which way you get f****d.. in the end youve still been f****d
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  phone convo with mum, help with research

  by heretic in

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  well another convo with mum and i absolutely cornered her on the 'your dedicated to jehovah not the religion' point (thanks all for info) i said ' did you research what we talked about' she said 'jehovah helped me out as usual it was in the watchtower that weekend' i said 'read it to me' after looking for as few minutes she says ' here it is' me-'allright' her 'in the box' me-'gimme the box' she reads quetion #1 before shes finished i say beautiful ive got no problem with that now gimme question #2, she reads it,,, i said where the hell does organisation fit into that sentence?

  its a verbal contract so they can diss you if you ever leave regardless of you relationship with jehovah.

  she gets flustered, epecially when my stepdad is in the background agreeing with me, she puts me onto stepdad, (ill say they are both great just mind controlled) he agrees its a valid point, i said i dont agree with the influence the org has over peoples lives, i brought up that higher education is frowned upon and people are not educating themselves because of that and he said it was only if an elder gave a talk and put his own spin on it that that would be classed as a rule (classic argument putting people in front of the org i call it the human sheild tactic), he pretty much said the society has never printed anything to his knowledge saying that but he'll research it and i said id do the same so i need help.

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  cheers guys, some gems there, my step dad was emailing me his research and sending me a cdrom for my own research. If i come at them with all this information then theyll know its from apostates, so ill bring up stuff on the rom, its a slow process. Thanks for the help so far
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  phone convo with mum, help with research

  by heretic in

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  well another convo with mum and i absolutely cornered her on the 'your dedicated to jehovah not the religion' point (thanks all for info) i said ' did you research what we talked about' she said 'jehovah helped me out as usual it was in the watchtower that weekend' i said 'read it to me' after looking for as few minutes she says ' here it is' me-'allright' her 'in the box' me-'gimme the box' she reads quetion #1 before shes finished i say beautiful ive got no problem with that now gimme question #2, she reads it,,, i said where the hell does organisation fit into that sentence?

  its a verbal contract so they can diss you if you ever leave regardless of you relationship with jehovah.

  she gets flustered, epecially when my stepdad is in the background agreeing with me, she puts me onto stepdad, (ill say they are both great just mind controlled) he agrees its a valid point, i said i dont agree with the influence the org has over peoples lives, i brought up that higher education is frowned upon and people are not educating themselves because of that and he said it was only if an elder gave a talk and put his own spin on it that that would be classed as a rule (classic argument putting people in front of the org i call it the human sheild tactic), he pretty much said the society has never printed anything to his knowledge saying that but he'll research it and i said id do the same so i need help.

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  great stuff guys,

  now the challenge will be presenting them with all this without them putting the apostate tag on me. Its all good ill just slowly put it to them. cheers guys.

  JWfacts, see you this weekend?

  blondie you do great work.
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  convo with mum- dedication to jah or WTS

  by heretic in

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  well i had a phone convo this morning with my mum whos lovely but tried to steer the conversation to jws again.. she said i dedicated my life to jehovah and not the wts, well ive got all of sick of lies commities on my ipod and have been listening to them as i commute and while at work, i know em word for word almost.

  and when the 'no nice way to leave, wheres my contract' section came up the elder said 'you did have a contract', basically saying that when you say yes to the 2 quetions you enter a verbal contract, the elder said 'the question (to the effect of) do you dedicate your life to jehovah and his earthly spirit directed organisation.

  with this in mind i told my mum (mom for the yanks) the above and she disagreed.

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  heretic

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/113726/1.ashx

  Ok ive had 2nd convo heres the link