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  LET'S MAKE A LITTLE WAGER

  by You Know in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  perhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.

  as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.

  since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.

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  Moxy,
  Maybe it all started with Russel. I have read where he died on halloween. God does have a sence of humor!
  Borgfree

  "You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
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  LET'S MAKE A LITTLE WAGER

  by You Know in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  perhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.

  as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.

  since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.

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  PS,You Know,
  Why don't you make your wager a little more costly to you? How about if you are wrong, you will declare the Watchtower Society to be a very dangerous cult and that you will leave it forever?
  Borgfree

  "You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
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  LET'S MAKE A LITTLE WAGER

  by You Know in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  perhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.

  as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.

  since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.

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  You Know,
  I made a similar statement in the early 1970s. I told a "worldly" business person, that I had regular contact with, that if armageddon was not here by the fall of 1975, that this world would be too dangerious to live in. I told him that if I was wrong that I would give him my sincere apologies. Guess what happened.
  Borgfree

  "You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
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  Irate email

  by D wiltshire in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  below is a email i received today.

  the person doen't know me except from i think randy watter web site where i post my appeal letter to the body of elders on which i left my email address.

  i never told her i wasn't df but she gets facts confussed alot.. anyway i sent the post on barbra anderson from our site to her you might find it interesting so i'm posting it below.. .

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  Wait on Jehovah! I spent a lifetime hearing that and believing it. Once when I met with two elders to discuss a problem I was having with another JW, they told me to just wait on Jehovah to take care of the matter. They refused to do anything at all to see that justice was done. I told them a joke I had heard and said that I thought it was the way they were acting. Here is the joke as I remember it.

  There was a flood and people were being rescued by men using a boat. One man was on his roof as the water got higher and higher, the boat stopped for him but he refused to be rescued, telling the rescuers that he was a believer in God and that God would rescue him. Later as the water got even higher the boat stopped again and the rescuers pleaded with the man to leave with them, but he would not, saying that he would wait for God to rescue him. Finally the water covered his house and he drowned. As he stood before God he asked God why He had not saved him. God told him, well, I sent this boat..

  The elders thought the joke was funny but they still would not consider my requests for them to do the scriptural thing.

  Many in the WT keep waiting for Jehovah to help them and they refuse the help he does send, such as this forum for example.

  Borgfree

  "You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
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  "AHA! AHA! OUR EYE HAS SEEN IT!"

  by You Know in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the question has always been, primarily: is jehovah really god?

  secondarily, the question has been: are jehovahs witnesses really jehovahs witnesses?

  or, perhaps worded differently: is the watchtower really the voice of christs appointed faithful and discreet slave of prophecy?

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  You Know,

  Seems to me that you build your case primarily on the people of Jesus' day not recognizing Jesus and following Him. I see the Jehovah's Witnesses doing the very same thing today. JWs do not recognize Who Jesus really is. Just as the people in His day did not accept Him for Who He is. Seems to me you built your case against the very ones you sought to defend.

  Borgfree

  "You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
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  Saying Jehovah's name

  by jurs in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i first started studying 10 years ago with jw's i felt uncomfortable using jehovah's name.

  i can't explain why but i avoided using it.

  after awhile it became a beautiful name to me.

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  Jurs,

  Yes I have the same problem. I do not use Jehovah, I use Father, God, I use Lord a lot and sometimes Yahweh. I just do not like any association with the WT.

  Borgfree
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  Where Do I Go Now? Is There An Answer??

  by individual in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  with all the problems in the 'truth' and all the things that we know are wrong with it there seems to be aspects of their theology (i.e the sequences of the world powers, statue in daniel, the promise of world restoration again found in daniel) that to me still make sense.

  although i cannot follow a religion that believes in the destruction of all humanity barring those that respond to their own preaching work i still believe in a creator and cannot accept the teachings of other religions that have no purpose for the earth and believe that mankinds only destiny is in heaven.

  my mind keeps telling me that if god was behind a religion it would be so much better than that of the jws.

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  Individual,

  I would just like to add a little bit of my experience to what the others have said. When I left, about 9 years ago, I felt like that, "where do I go now" Through some fortunate happenings (?) I found out about the exjw convention in Pennsylvania. I decided to go, even though I still thought "those people" were those "apostates"

  At that convention I met some very loving exjws, I heard some very good talks based on the bible and very sound teaching. I came to the realization as someone else mentioned that the question is not, where do I go, but to Whom do I go, as the bible clearly states.

  I prayed to God and, yes, to Jesus, in other words what is known as the sinners prayer. Everything has not been rosey since then, I lost almost all of my family, but I have had a happiness that I had never known in my life. After about 9 years of trying to get through to my family, finally early this year, my son left the WT, and he too gave his life to our Lord. I am sure you know how happy that made me. Now we are both trying to get through to the rest of our family.

  I agree with what others have said also about not having to belong to a religion. I enjoy the fellowship of other believers. I have gone to several churches but it is to Jesus Christ that I belong. I will meet with other Christians and enjoy being with them and singing those beautiful songs that I would not permit myself to even hear before.

  Whether I ever join a church or not does not matter to me, I have a wonderful world of fellow believers who know what true unconditional love is, and I am satisfied with that.

  God bless you on your journey.

  Borgfree
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  A Call To Deal With Apostates

  by AlanF in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  from the july 1, 2003 watchtower article "righteous requirements":.

  .. the kingdom of god is the highest government anyone can serve.

  how does jehovah issue the call to his people?

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  If anyone thinks that all JWs are above killing "apostates" just take part in a demonstration at Brooklyn or one of the WT conventions, that is a real eye opener to anyone who thinks that JWs are all kind, law abiding, wonderful people.

  I personally believe that most JWs are kind, law abiding people, but, I have participated in demonstrations and have witnessed some behavior from JWs that indicated, if they were only given the chance, they would gladly stone us, including the ones of our group who were never JWs, and were there only to lovingly try to show the JWs the error of their beliefs.

  At Brooklyn, during a peaceful demonstration, while I was standing on a corner saying nothing, just wearing a sign encouraging JWs to examine their religion, a bethelite came from behind me bumped me rather hard with his shoulder, I did not even know he was near me and the street was not crowded, this fine example of Christianity then proceeded on down the block without even looking at me or saying excuse me.

  I could tell more such stories about being cursed etc. but I think the point is made. There is no doubt in my mind that some JWs would be very violent, given the opportunity. One time I asked a JW, because of the hatred she was displaying, "don't you wish that stoning still existed?" She replied with an emphatic "yes"

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  JW Child Abuse: An Insider's Insight

  by silentlambs in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i post the following at the request of barbara anderson.. .

  as a result of the newspaper report calling attention to my actions i feel compelled to provide further information that has come to light and deserves full exposure.. the society is very much aware of my intentions, because of a private e-mail i innocently wrote someone was forwarded to the society without my permission.

  you can read it in its entirety, below.

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  Barbara,

  I want to add my thanks to you also. I know you and Bill will keep up the good work. I am just thinking, to me, this gives new meaning to "out of the mouths of babes"

  borgfree
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  !!BREAKING NEWS!! ELDER SET EXECUTION

  by exodus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well my friend, after a second attempt to reach out to me and give me the decision last night i received an unexpected visit from two of the local elders.

  apparently the two wts agents decided to pass the torch to the local elders this time.

  this was organized by the co along with wts instructions.

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  Exodus,

  CONGRATULATIONS! Welcome to freedom!

  "If the Son sets you free, you are free indeed"

  Borgfree