Posts by B4Right

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What woke you up?

by Israel Ricky Gonzales in

in march of 2014, i was a very active jw, a ministerial servant, gave a public talk, was an attendant for the memorial, and one of 4 cleaning captains for an international convention of 40,000+ attendees.

so what woke me up?

an innocent comment from a co-worker about the candice conti court case rang a bell that could not be unrung.

B4Right

I was separated from my wife, dis-associated and moving out. Because of what my wife and I was going thru at the time--I called a fellow elder to keep an eye on my sons and at least please say hello to them when he see them at the meeting--he was VERY mean and rude, told me that it's not his job to look after my kids and that I should have thought of this ahead of disassociating myself. I said all I ask is that you say hello to them for encouragement- he hung up on me!

what love- my fellow elder who I served with for 9 years! This action caused me to stay away for a few years in mental pain- how could this be Gods organization what happen to the things we learned in elders school!!!

i somehow discovered this website and it has helped me get over my anguish and give me the slap in the mental face to WAKE-UP!!!

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Jehovah's witnesses owe much to the catolic church

by TheWonderofYou in

jehovahs witness owe the bible to the catolic church,the church was the authority that put the bible together, and jehovahs witnesses owe the name jehovah a catolic monk.

jehovash witnesses owe the catolic church the sowing of the field where they are now preaching.. otherwise after leaving the jw i got a much better understanding of christianity and the cc..

B4Right

The Governing Body will never admit this outright.

with one of the JW Broadcast that there was not a 1900 year old FDS they were speaking that there were believers not totally understanding the bible. I'm sure somewhere down the line they will try to " fake- in" something that will not give credit to Constantine nor the church.

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The Governing Body was Appointed in 1971, NOT 1919

by FusionTheism in

statements from the watchtower publications show that the scriptural governing body did not exist until 1971!.

watchtower, 01/15/01, pages 28-31:.

these questions were answered at the annual meeting held on october 1, 1971. on that occasion, one of the speakers pointed out that the governing body of the faithful and discreet slave preceded the watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania by hundreds of years.

B4Right

Amazing how they at Bethel feels that any utterances any decisions any ideas that come from any of the GB -- in turns comes from GOD himself---especially when they can find a "scripture sentence" to back it up.

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David Splane: The Catholic Church brought the Gospel into China!

by FusionTheism in

quotes from the new david splane "1900 years" video:.

"the catholic church took the preaching work more seriously than the reformers... who brought the gospel into china?

... it was the catholic church.".

B4Right

I wonder is the GB trying to find away to explain how "Jehovah used the Catholic Church thru Constantine to put the holy writings together to form the bible!

in mostly all of WT publications I do not think they ever add that to how the bible came together.

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The WTBTS "almost" admits the truth.....

by DATA-DOG in

during the wt session, the org admits that the actions of eldubs can cause an eventual shortage of "qualified " brothers, and it has.

they speak of a lack of teaching as the cause.

in reality, it's the legalism and control issues within the org itself that have caused a shortage of men who are willing to reach out.

B4Right

I have found in my 30 years that each congregation is different when it comes to the rules of who qualify.

in three different congregations - field service --one said national avg, one said 10, one said min. 8. Now included as a qualification is regular family worship. meeting attendance- two said regular with reason, one said no missing a meeting unless you are sick.

If WTBS wants more men they need to spell out in print exactly what a man has to do locally.

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Last sunday study article: you are saved by helping Christ's anointed brothers

by paradisebeauty in

in the last article of march watchtower - study edition they make some affirmations that are totally in contradiction with what the gospel says:.

paragraph 7: .

and what of the reason why people will be judged as either sheep or goats?

B4Right

That is odd isn't it!

What level of help will JESUS judge people of how they help the anointed?

now to be saved you HAVE to be a JW - how else will one know to help Christ brothers- there is no way JW is going to be knocking on doors with the message" if you don't assist Christ brothers you are not worthy to be a sheep and be saved"!

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CAUGHT IN THE ACT OF LYING: True teaching cannot become Old Light if it becomes New Light again afterward.

by TerryWalstrom in

watchtower governing body leadership directly impacts 7 million members earth wide.

would he change a true teaching?

up to that point christians have obeyed the command at romans 13:1: "let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities.

B4Right

And now from the GB we have the change of how one becomes a sheep or goat!

WT 3/15/2015- to be a sheep from 1920s till 2010s understanding was how you accepted the kingdom message- now - to be a sheep it is how you treat/ support Christ brothers ( the anointed)!

Everything has become so "Governing Body- centric"! It's obey us or be destroyed! We got ours- we are on our way to heaven- you better be obedient to those GB put in charge!

with this adjusted understanding- who will keep up with the level of how you treat Christ anointed?

what will determine how much or how little your support is?

how will a person know -that to be saved you have to live a life supporting the anointed unless you become one of JW? So only JWs and those associated will pass thru Armageddon based on this WT.

where in Jesus illustrations does it say the faithful slave will lead his people's and the people's will follow and obey! Ask that of the next JW that come to your door! Also ask them if they are all going to heaven at Armageddon - who is going to run things here on earth!

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Recognizing Christ's leadership involves submission to his "brothers." 5/15/2011 WT

by miseryloveselders in

jw
friends

i hesitated to do this thread as i thought it was the same article flipper did, but its not the same article.

here's flip's thread for those who missed it.

it's a must read.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/207377/1/april-15th-wt-wt-society-says-obeying-us-is-same-as-obeying-god.

B4Right

Here it is again making another change or updating or restating the current "understanding". WT March 15, 2015 pages 26 -27.

1881 - christ brothers were anointed and those on earth after the 1,000 years

- to be a sheep one had to live in Gods way of love

1920 - christ brothers anointed ONLY

- to be a sheep one had to believe in gods kingdom and life in paradise on earth,acknowledge

Jesus as Lord.

1995 - christ brothers anointed ONLY

- to be sheep depended on how you responded to the message

2015 - christ brothers anointed "MEN and WOMEN" (was it just men before???)

-to be sheep one has to have the proper treatment of the anointed and support them in preaching work.

(this means that only Jehovahs Witnesses will be saved at Armageddon - it's the only way one could

even know of christ brothers)

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Another reason god is a terrible "father"

by _Morpheus in

its easy to look around and say if a singular all powerful were real he would stop the suffering of man and animal, a position i support.

however there is another even more basic premise i have pondered at times as well (im sure im not the first of course) : would any loving parent ever hide from their children?

consider it... our all knowing all loving father hides from us even though we cry out to know him.

B4Right

Since God is not human, we need to not think of him acting like a human dad as we know it.

In Jesus explaining " the father" it is in the form of being our creator, our existence and what our bodies need to survive is how and why we look at him as " father" and not in the paternal since of the word.

God never asked us to look to him as a paternal being since he is a spirit.

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With Jehovah's HELP

by B4Right in

how many times have you said that phrase?.

how often have you heard it in conversation with the friends?.

how often have you heard it in talks?.

B4Right

How many times have you said that phrase?

how often have you heard it in conversation with the friends?

how often have you heard it in talks?

In reality does it really have substance?

because when things go right its Jehovah helped , if things don't go right its Satans fault is the usual reasoning.

what has been your experience with this phrase " with Jehovah's help?