Yep, I'd say that just about sums it up, D!
Sad....but true
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JW Are Very Very Tolerant!!!
by D wiltshire injw are very very tolerant!!!.
i think most jw are very tolerant, for instance look at how tolerant they are of members who are child molesters, as long as they are loyal to the organization and dont have 2 witnesses to their crime, they are allowed to hold positions of trust (elder, ms, pioneer, ...).
a congregation in san diego, that i once was an elder in, after i left made a convicted child molester, who served prison time, a ministerial servant.. this toleration is exclusive though, to members and not that great for nonmembers, for let a clergyman or member of another religion be accused of child molestation, and to them its proof they are not being used by god, and are hypocrites.
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Suggestion for GB to deal with current situation
by GermanXJW inthe current world situation and the wt dealings with the un result in some bigger problems the wt leadership has to solve.. firstly, the war.
an event as big as the attack on the wtc so that people say this has been an historic event comparable to the events of 1914: if this has not been prophecied in the scriptures what should be expected to be?
the wt's only chance is an application of the "pushing" between the king of the south and the king of the north.
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Trilobite,
Excellent points! I've tried to express these sentiments so many times, but couldn't articulate as you did.
I'm for them secularizing more and more and more until their chokehold on adherants is non-existant. oooh and the part about them becoming an NGO with strong emphasis on Human Rights--I love it!
I don't see them surviving as the world's populace gets ever more educated if they do not mainstream HARD and FAST.
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Wonderful news! Thank you all!!
by freeman ini want to thank so many of you for giving me the ammunition i needed to initiate actions that i hope will save at least one of my two children from the cult of the wtbts.
i have been able to undertake some positive actions in no small measure because of all you people here.
some of you may recall from earlier posts that two of my boys friends were dis-fellowed and that i went ballistic when my kids told me they were not allowed to talk to their best friends because the society says we cant.
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Dear Freeman,
Good luck to you, honey. Love and rationale will rule the day. I loved what you told your son about even if he becomes a JW you would always love and NEVER shun him. I told my daughter much the same thing. She has NO desire to be a witness, but I wanted her to know that no matter what, she would have a CHOICE. and my love for her was not pendant on what or how she believes.
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WOL: Free to remarry
by Moxy indont know if anyone pointed this thread out already or not but its pretty fascinating.
the incredible number of posts in a short time in what is normally a pretty slow forum shows how difficult a situation this for witnesses.
there are so many interesting and wacky comments being made there, you'll just have to read it for yourself.. http://www.witnessesonline.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/witnessesonline/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=6&t=000092.
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can anybody say: STALKING? This thread seemed like an instructional pamphlet for stalking estranged spouses.
How pathetic when you can't take responsibility for your own life, and move on. Also, I noted this: "Her car didn't move all night, and the next morning I called and confronted her." offered as proof of an estranged wife's guilt. Well, this exact same thing happened to a sister in reverse (they parked all night in front of the husband's girlfriends house) and his car never moved. The elders still wouldn't grant it, because there was not enough proof. Of course, the whole elder body was a pack of good ole boys. She didn't want to be free so she could go out and find a "nice brother" (an oxy-moron imo) she desperately wanted closure. This guy had been severely emotionally and verbally abusive (to her and her children) for years and years--she finally gets the guts to leave with her 5 kids, and she got zero support from the congregation. In fact, she was viewed as somewhat of a Jezebel.
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oh god, I hope that doesn't sound like I'm in a bar trying to pick you up.
I'm pregnant, married, heterosexual--not to mention weird as hell!! LOL!!!
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Thanks! I agree it's nice to mingle around here in cyberspace, having a common bond. It doesn't replace Real Live warm bodies, though. It takes both, for me. Glad you're here! So, tell us more about yourself, friend Radar.
Where ya from?
What do you do?
What's your b-day? (Astrology's a hobby of mine)
What do you do for fun?
Got any pets,
kids,
wife,
significant other(s)?
Your pal,
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Interfaith Relationship
by Christina77 ini am currently involved in a relationship for the last year and a half with a man that i found out about 2 months ago is a jehovahs witness (and i am catholic).
the only reason why i found this out, was that i was pushing the issue as to why his parents do not know that i exist.
this really irritated me since he has a very close relationship with his parents.
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First of all....Welcome Newbies!
Christina,
You've received so much advice here, that I don't think I can top. But I have to echo what Spider was saying, about him being split inside. There is the human side of him--the one who loves you--desparately, then there is the cult member (please make no mistake that this is a cult). As the cult member, he is suffering TREMENDOUS guilt. Even if it works out and you guys get married, there will forever be tremendous pressure for him to convert you (this is the purpose of having his magazines all over the place). When he met you, and when he's with you at times, he is disconnected from the cult group-think, but when he's with them, he's NOT THE MAN YOU MET. Yes, it can work out. But as long as he's a witness, you will not have as intimate a relationship as if he weren't. He'll always be split. Even if you convert, the cult will ALWAYS come first in your marriage.
Good luck, Christina. Maybe his love for you will be strong enough to break the shackles of the cult.
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200 Years?? Those who where at the meeting...
by OhHappyDay inhow to understand the 200 years, what exactly was said and in wich context?.
anybody taped the speach?.
i am in europe, so i had no ticket, but i need this info while i'm helping my family.
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It's sounds like "buying time" to me. But, it's not in print, so, anything could happen. But 200 years gives a lot of cushion for them. By then, they will be so mainstreamed, they will not be recognizable from the fanatics they are today. Either that, or they will be non-existant period.
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A Legal org to represent former JW issues?
by Pathofthorns inseveral issues, such as the un matter and others requiring comments to the press could possibly be better served if there were a small body of qualified individuals, including lawyers and other professionals and others that were former witnesses extremely well versed in jw issues.. comments to media, governments and various organizations on matters such as blood, child custody, child abuse etc would carry more weight coming from an "offical" organization.. in the former jw community there are many with good intentions but often find themselves making inaccurate or unrestrained, poorly worded or overly sensational comments.. these sorts of comments set the former witness community back and sometimes give credence to the labels placed upon us.
on the other hand, well worded, accurate statements made with a knowlege of how the wt pr machine works can effectively tie their hands and force the wt to make changes.. with this in mind, what is the viability of such an association to represent former witnesses?
it need not matter whether one is a christian or athiest or whatever, as the purpose would simply be to comment and investigate and expose wt policy.. i am sure this has been tossed around before.
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Path,
Your post makes some valid points. When I first read it, my first thought was that they (WTBTS & R&F) would see this an organized effort from the so-called "evil slave" further feeding their collective psychotic paranoia. But then I remember that even to question them publicly, or to be uninterested in their message at the door, is tantamount to persecution to them. So, I think it would be a good idea to collect expertise, if nothing else, and make organized, professional efforts when speaking to the media/gov't regarding them. My goal is to just force them to be honest with their adherants as well as the public and especially the government they purport is Satan's organization. Maybe even be forced to make apologies if not reparations for the millions of lives they've inflicted suffering on. If they can't survive this, and go under it's no big deal to me. But I've no particular agenda to "bring them down".
So, how do we proceed from here? How does one form an official "watchdog group"?
Love,
Bridgette
p.s. In checking my spelling of "paranoia" I read the definition which is: A psychotic disorder marked by delusions of persecution or of grandeur, often strenuously rationalized.
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How do you deal with these Witness people?
by kevin221 inplease forgive my language in this post but i'm at my wits end and pissed as hell.
my name is kevin and my partner who was a poster on this board was jonjonsimons.
today jons dad showed up at our house.
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Dear Kevin,
I'm so sorry you have to deal with this on top of your husband's death. It's grossly unfair. If you can do so, get an attorney. You may be able to go to this guy's local elder body and inform them of his unwarranted harrassment. But if they're just a tight knit pack of "good ole' boys", they may not help. But if they have an interest in keeping this "under wraps" to protect their reputation, then they may reign in this guy.
You did the right thing getting the police involved. Try to get a restraining order.
Peace and Love,
Bridgette
p.s. to answer your question: the hardline shunning that Jon's father punished him with all his life, is fairly typical. It's actually what they're supposed to do, if they go "by the book". They think they're showing love, and the wayward one will come running back. Sick, I know. Good luck to you, sweetie.