Sirona,
you said: "There are many who are true worshippers of God who do not even believe the bible, or read it. Many are true worshippers who are not christian"
amen, sister. But there are souls that this concept is absolutely foreign to. They have not yet transcended on their journies. They speak in the only language they know. That is, they cannot step outside of the biblical/christian framework. Arrogant? Yes. Annoying? at times. But they mean well. Remember, in their belief system, all of us evil neo-pagans, atheists (not sure about agnostics) are going to meet a fiery, hellish demise at the hands of their loving hebrew male sky-god, so they're trying their darndest to save us. I respect their intentions, if not their words. At least, their usually more loving than the Jehovah's Witnesses.
Peace,
Bridgette
Bridgette
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Who are the true worshippers of God?
by AGuest inmay you all have peace!
(yes, i know i am starting a new thread when one already exists, but most of you know me by now...).
the 'true' worshippers of god are those that worship him... in spirit... and in truth.
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What did you do to free your mind from WBTS??
by Nicolas ini ask you this because i saw a lot of hypocrisy in the org but i still have sometime this old fear of armageddon with a feeling a culpability.
should i do some research on my own about all the lies of the wbts?
what did you do to find a goal in your life?
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Dear Satan,
Unitarian differs slightly from Unity, I believe. Actually, I know extremely little about the Unitarians (although any church that says it's for the liberal human spirit, gets my vote!). And the Unity church I go to (only when I feel like it) is now a church of religious science. They both foster spirituality vs. religion, and tend towards a scientific explanation for everything, even if said explanation is mystical and as yet unexplained in our current schema.
I, like you, though can never ever ever be a "part" (insert, cog, borg, unit) of a group again. My temple is my body and being wherever I happen to be. I have worshipped with Church of Christs, Catholics, JW's, Wiccans, and religious scientists. In the end....the love you take, is equal to the love you make....
All spokes of the wheel lead to the same hub/source/god/dess. JW's and other fundies, just have alot of "blockage" as souls in their spoke attempt to reach the hub. I've had an extremely powerful epiphany as of late regarding the human experience as it relates to religion.
Do not give up on meditation, Satan.
Peace,
Bridgette
p.s. I want to know more regarding Judaic dualism. Does this have anything to do with the Zoroastrian precursor to a dualistic good vs. evil world view to Judaism? Remember early Judaism did not necessarily disavow other dieties, it just tried to over power them with the ONE, big chief god. Zoroastrianism was first to do this. -
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What did you do to free your mind from WBTS??
by Nicolas ini ask you this because i saw a lot of hypocrisy in the org but i still have sometime this old fear of armageddon with a feeling a culpability.
should i do some research on my own about all the lies of the wbts?
what did you do to find a goal in your life?
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Satan,
Did you ever go to any Unity or Religious Science churches? Just curious. Also, how long have you been out?
How did you go about doing #1 on your list? I found meditation freed me from many toxic teachings. A group of progressive Nuns actually taught me to group meditate. Long story. But highly effective.
Nicolous, I highly recommend the practice of taking about 20 minutes each day and just stilling your mind and soul. They say "god" can best be "heard" in utter silence.
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What did you do to free your mind from WBTS??
by Nicolas ini ask you this because i saw a lot of hypocrisy in the org but i still have sometime this old fear of armageddon with a feeling a culpability.
should i do some research on my own about all the lies of the wbts?
what did you do to find a goal in your life?
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Bridgette
Dear Nicolous,
You will find your way. Better yet, if you are still and quiet, your way <instert, God, Self, Higher Power, etc) will find you.
Anyway, I don't know where your mind is at right now, but a book that "found me" and helped right as I was making the break was "the Seat of the Soul" by Gary Zukav. Kind of spiritual, as well as scientific. That's where my mind was at in the beginning, you will know what you need to do, where you need to go.
Good luck, my friend. Glad you're here with us.
Bridgette
"the Universe is alive, wise, and compassionate. It is a friendly place, not the violent, merciless place that we have often made our small part of it. Our new values are the values of the soul -- harmony, cooperation, sharing, and reverence for Life. Our new goals are authentic power - the alignment of the personality with the soul -- and a planet without conflict." ~~Gary Zukav -
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Is There A KO Punch?
by ISP inyou know the situation...a fighter can be in the ascendency...well ahead...have his opponent on the ropes.
but can he put his opponent away?
does he have the ko punch?
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I have to agree with most of the posters here. There is no KO punch for the "society". Really, do we want that? I don't, in particular (I could care less if they die of natural causes--i.e., refusal to change). But there are many evils out there to be faught. WTS is pretty small potatoes, IMO. Not that I won't call them on their B.S. and keep watching and dogging their archaic policies at every turn until they evolve into a useful little religious corporation and loosen their chokehold. Not sorry there's no KO, but there's something better than a Death Blow: Evolution. We are bringing about painful change in the organization by making them be honest. Metatron initiated an excellent post on the changes effected by we who dare question publicly the almighty WTS.
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EUROPEAN JW VERSUS USA JW
by beroea ineuropean jw versus usa jw.
this board is very dominant by experience from us about the jw lives.
we are only a few from others parts of the world participate.
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Or, as I have pointed out before, they are totally and utterly dependant upon their adherants for survival. Their power lies in the illusion of power they hold (god's only spokesperson on earth), but put enough cultural pressure on them, and they do as their adherants wish, not vice versa. Much as they're loathe to do so. They will try to perpetuate their "tough" exterior, but in the end, majority rules. It's the same with any organization, even governments. Get enough people pissed off and even the harshest regime falls. In fact, the harsher ones are the ones more fearful than any of their populaces.
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Why The WTS *IS* To Blame re. Laree
by ISP inthe wts will condemn the recent murder and do its best to distance itself from the parents.
jws will say its the actions of people who are deranged and nothing to do with jws.
they will say other religious groups harm children.
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Lionel P. and Farkel,
I agree with the need to be rational vs. emotional in an argument, especially if one has an agenda and more so, if that agenda is a legal one. I do not have an agenda, other than to force the WTS to be honest. I have no hopes that legal reparations would ever be made by the WTS for all the damage that has been done to human lives, nor do I even think, they will ever even come to an end as an organization. As I said, I want them to be honest, and to protect their children.
For those who say that the WTS does not overtly or covertly propagate abuse, I have to ask again, then, why is child abuse so prevalent in JW culture? There's a case for correlation if not causation.
I will keep telling this story. I will keep calling for the WTS' moral responsibility (as I've said, I feel there's little hope of establishing legal responsibility--they're just too adept at covering themselves). I will continue to alert people who potentially work with JW children to just watch. Those shiny exteriors can so often bely abuse.
Peace,
Bridgettep.s. The WTS, and its record on children's rights reminds me of a company that is forced under new laws, and a changing moral environment to afford opportunities and end discrimination against minorities. It can pay all the lip service it wants, but the proof is in the pudding. Look at the results. In JW culture, it is the majority of us who have left ugly childhoods behind colored with physical, spiritual, sexual and mental abuse. The WTS is the one who taught me about community responsibility. By their own teachings, they stand accused and responsible for Laree's death. Toss all the above aside, and simply look at their policy of not reporting suspected abuse immediately to the authorities, and they've broken the law of the land. The WTS has placed themselves in a public trust and extorted total control over its adherants. When one does that, one must take responsibility for what they do. Suspected abuse must be reported to the authorities. period.
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Listen! Her blood cries out from the ground!
by Bridgette ini cannot forget this little girl.. ezekiel 34:12 this is what the sovereign lord says: i am against the shepherds and will hold them accountable for my flock.
i will remove them from tending the flock so that the shepherds can no longer feed themselves.
i will rescue my flock from their mouths, and it will no longer be food for them".
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April,
Thank you for sharing what you're doing about this. Somehow, the thought of some light being shed in these very dark corners, gives me comfort. Perhaps another Laree or Kelli can be saved. It's worth a try.
You put everything I was feeling in my heart concisely into words, thank you.Here's to justice for THEY..."who killed her by not caring...."
Thank you.
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Sister orders me to cooperate with shunning
by bluesapphire inwell, get ready to be shocked at the audacity!.
we have family who came in from costa rica today.
a cousin and his girlfriend.
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Just adding my admiration! You are showing true, unconditional love. And, while it is spoiled brat behavior, it is sanctioned (NO, ORDERED), by the WTS. So, give them their share of culpability in this atrocious, uncivilized behavior. Their true colors are hanging out for everyone to see. They will either change or die out as a religion. I'm thinking they'll change.
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Listen! Her blood cries out from the ground!
by Bridgette ini cannot forget this little girl.. ezekiel 34:12 this is what the sovereign lord says: i am against the shepherds and will hold them accountable for my flock.
i will remove them from tending the flock so that the shepherds can no longer feed themselves.
i will rescue my flock from their mouths, and it will no longer be food for them".
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Celebrate, you said: "as a child you believe the problem is you! You are told the problem is you. Scripture is quoted to prove it is you!"
Sadly, this exacerbates the abuse. It is nothing short of (as I said) mind and soul rape. There is nowhere to turn as a child of a Jehovah's Witness if you are being abused. At every turn you are reminded that you are getting what you deserve.
Anyway, I've sent a link to www.silentlambs.org to the writers of the article in the Chicago Tribune. And I have made copies and shown them to people. Many people who are in positions to catch abuse.
Some part of Laree is going to live on if I have anything to do with it. Her screams will finally be heard! And no back turning in her congregatioin, or towels stuffed in her mouth will silence her screams for justice beyond the grave.
I will not forget you, Laree. I care.
Love,
Bridgette