You might think I am stupid, but I am shocked by all this really. I would have assumed the JW's would have gone by the rules, even in this department.
This business about if you don't get caught it's not a crime is one of the most lamest things I've ever heard in my whole life! "Oh, it's alright. I killed him, but don't tell anyone. It's not a crime unless you tell. So we are good Jo Ho's now right?"
Can't control their sexual organs. Can't help themselves!
Probably if an elder did it, would use his "elder badge." "Hey! Everybody! I'm an elder!" and start walking around like a sheriff or something. :(
It's pretty crap. I am very disgusted with it! I believe it. Because there are a lot of other things they do that annoys people when they go into business, they rip people off so much! Have any of you noticed that! They are really flaming capitalists! They love this system of things! Capitalism is 95% of countries around the world...
Now I've seen this thread, I bet they would do things like well... you know. They would do other things that are sex but not that kind of sex which eventually gives you a baby after 9 months...
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Do Must Dubs Have Pre-Marital Sex?
by tall penguin init's not often talked about but in my experience a lot of witnesses have sex (or something like it) during their courtship.
and most of them never go to the elders about it.
recent case in point: my dear friend got married this past summer.
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This One Is For Scholar And His Celebrated WT Scholars
by Honesty ini have some quotes from several respected bible linguists regarding the new world translation: .
dr. julius mantey - "a manual grammar of the greek new testament" calls the new world translation "a shocking mistranslation".
dr. bruce metzger, late professor of new testament at princeton university -"a frightful mistranslation", "erroneous", "pernicious", and "reprehensible".
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Jason Beduhn wrote a book called Truth in Translation.
He compares 9 major translation of the Greek Scriptures: KJV, NRSV, NWT, AB, NAB, GNB, NIV, NASB and the LB.
You'd be surprised how biased ALL THE TRANSLATIONS ARE!
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This One Is For Scholar And His Celebrated WT Scholars
by Honesty ini have some quotes from several respected bible linguists regarding the new world translation: .
dr. julius mantey - "a manual grammar of the greek new testament" calls the new world translation "a shocking mistranslation".
dr. bruce metzger, late professor of new testament at princeton university -"a frightful mistranslation", "erroneous", "pernicious", and "reprehensible".
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Jason BeDuhn would go even further than the John 1:1... He says it should "a divine being" instead of the word was a god!
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Jehovah's Witness Debate in Southern CA
by Unclepenn1 infor anyone who lives in so cal and is interested, we are having a formal debate between a jw and a christian pastor.
the topic of discussion will be the trinity.
the event is wednesday, oct 5th, at 7pm at the rock church in san diego, ca.
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I would be on the JW side, obviously. But please tell me of the results, ok? Get some audio of it if you can!
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CoC or ISoCF
by TheListener inwhich of ray's books would you recommend someone read first.
coc does a great job of explaining ray's situation and the results.
while covering some major doctrines along the way.
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onacruse
Far out! You are a bit critical of him, aren't you?
You are obviously on a different wave length to me!
I agree with him not wanting to be annointed! He was to throw off every last big of JW dogma! Jah will decide where he resides! -
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CoC or ISoCF
by TheListener inwhich of ray's books would you recommend someone read first.
coc does a great job of explaining ray's situation and the results.
while covering some major doctrines along the way.
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FlyingHighNow,
Have to disagree! He quite thorough in both books. And it was his last book he did. So it was necessary to be absolutely clear on everything he believed! -
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E-Watchman (Robert King)--Pathways-Online (Timothy Kline) CONTROVERSY
by sf inapplause...clap...clap...clap...clap...standing ovation...clap.... clap...applause.
clap clap clap.
clap clap clap.
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Ditto kazar!
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CoC or ISoCF
by TheListener inwhich of ray's books would you recommend someone read first.
coc does a great job of explaining ray's situation and the results.
while covering some major doctrines along the way.
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Hey, sorry for going off topic, but it mentioned Crisis of Consicence (as a phrase only) in the Awake magazine twice. Before CoC was typed up by Ray and 10 years after when CF came out.
Awake 1981, p. 30
'Deafening Silence'
- In its review of The Terrible Secret, a book based on newly available documents about Hitler's slaughter of the Jews, The Wall Street Journal observed: 'The Vatican, better informed than anyone else by its priests and its faithful throughout Central and Eastern Europe, knew [about the holocaust] beyond a shadow of doubt in the summer, even in the spring, of 1942. Where was the fiery papal encyclical that might have created a crisis of conscience among the Catholics in the German nation and the German army? Pius XII maintained a deafening diplomatic silence while the furnaces continued to work full blast."
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Awake 1996, p. 6
In 1990 the Spanish bishops announced that a "grave crisis of conscience and morality" was affecting Spanish society. Who did they blame for this 'moral crisis'? The bishops claimed that one of the principal causes was the "ambiguous mentality frequently promoted by the public administration [the Spanish government]." Apparently, the bishops expect the government to promote Catholic ideology as well as provide subsidies.
I typed in "In Search of Christian Freedom," no results. But when you type in Christian Freedom, you get heaps of results. Here is one example I liked.
Watchwoter 1992, p. 29
This was followed by the symposium "Christian Freedom in Our Day." The first speaker discussed "Evaluating Facets of Our Christian Freedom." These include freedom from such false religious teachings as the Trinity, immortality of the human soul, and eternal torment. Then there is freedom from slavish bondage to sin. Though Christians are imperfect, they are free from such bad habits as smoking, gambling, drunkenness, and sexual promiscuity. There is also freedom from hopelessness, for they have the hope of Paradise that impels them to tell others about it.
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by TheListener inwhich of ray's books would you recommend someone read first.
coc does a great job of explaining ray's situation and the results.
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Read Crisis of Conscience first (maybe you don't need to read ISoCF.) It's quite a moving book. The way it's written makes you like Ray as a person and feel sorry for him for what happened to him putting up with all this tripe for so many years. You'll like reading the book, because he doesn't have any bitterness.
In CoC, he attacks main doctrine points only. I agree with fairmind about the conclusions drawn ISoCF. In someways, I'd prefer to have a "mystic" regarding what he feels now about certain doctrines he talks about. But in ISoCF he does tackle important issues like door-to-door work, which, even they seem to be abandoning. I read a post yesterday and someone lived and so-and-so location for 5 years and not once did a JW knock on the door but in other areas they won't stop knocking on the doors -- funny that!
Read CoC, for a more dramatic journey of how it affected Ray's life. It's freshly written... only written a couple of years since he left the organization! ISoCF (I know I haven't read all of it yet, but I think 200 pages is quite a lot!) is a man, who is slightly more bitter and has more personal doctrines. But still written in an intelligent, logical Ray style!
In my opinion, CoC, it's one of the best books I have ever read! It's so well-written! It would make a good movie! Another reason why I like it is because he tells what he thinks of other people and tells what they believed and did at the time -- Dan Sydlik, Albert? (I have a bad memory) Schroder, Karl Klien (he's pretty funny this bloke!), Fred Franz, and that guy from New Zealand. It's very interesting the things that were said to good old Ray! It's a living testimony of how difficult it was to deal with these people as a whole. There's more I could say, but I won't spoil it. :)
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I guess they like other Bible translations and use them in their literature.
Don't go off to war.
Don't believe in the trinity, use God's name.
Don't believe in pressuring people to give money every time you go to the Kingdom Hall. I really felt that.
Help people with public speaking.
Have a strong desire to await the New System and live on a paradise earth. I wish they were right on 1914, by the way. (I am sorry if you guys are disappointed with me. But I am sure there is a better life than this one.)
Invite discussion on current topics.
I guess, they use their Bibles a lot... But at times obscure the meaning by putting to much interpretation on Scripture. There was a guy on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire for example, in Australia. I guy did a "phone a friend," and he phoned up the Anglican Priest and asked him what is the third book of the Bible, and he couldn't even tell you! A JW would tell you this in a second!