i thought of a question i'd like to ask my sister-in-law (who's a fanatical dub).
i'd like to say to her: "...if it could be proven to you beyond any doubt that this was not the "one true religion", would you still go to the kingdom hall?...
i figure it's a catch-22 that really ought to make them stop and think.
Re: What Bethel Taught Me About SuperRighteous People
One would have been more inclined to read beyond this title if it had read "What I came to Believe about a Righteous God and what I learned about Bethel " but these kinds of expressions don't win 'friends'.
there was a very well respected elder in my cong that i will call mr. r. this elder was a very zealous and pious jw and the po.
mr. r was of cuban descent and had extremely conservative veiws.
mr. r being the upstanding jw and elder had a very attractive wife and two cute kids.
Re: Hypocrite Elder Gets Df'd
Now I know I just missed something, for isn't it the general concensus that ALL elders are hypocritical, insincere, unloving, harsh, lying, lazy proud, arrogant, stubborn immoral and greedy (oh the joys of creativity) i.e. at the extreme end of 'imperfection? And now it is announced that this guy got df'd for just being a Hypocrite? My,my, standards are slipping! But I didn't read the postings, merely the title and so have probably jumped to conclusions (again)
i've decided to da myself formally by writing a letter to my old cong.
i feel i need to leave my old life behind and forge a new one, which i don't feel i've been able to do since i left 3 years ago.
there has always been a hope in my family and jw's i was friends with that i would go back at some point.
Re: Clean Break!
This world is full of broken promises, broken hearts, broken people
but the world is full of beauty when the heart is full of joy
Which did you expect to get here?
i've seen folks reference 1925 concerning "end of the world" claims from the wt similar to 1975.. i've read quotes from the wt about "the 1925 date is even more fixed in the bible than 1914".
but what did they really say was going to happen?
something about moses was said i think.. can anyone with references post them?
Re: What was actually printed about 1925?
1925 like 1975, is an old bone not fit for a self respecting buzzard to dine out on. (is one looking at a 'valley of dry bones'? ) At times it is easy to become a boring old thing, but to broach these 'issues' to fellow witnesses? They would yawn , "here he goes again", and promptly fall asleep. . Enjoy your postings, whatever they may happen to be. Now it has got to ME and I am off for a cup of tea and a power-nap
has it ever happened to you, something so dispicable you would rather go to your grave, not having forgiven someone a wrong they had done you, hopeful that god would sort it out in the end?
mind you, i know things like child molestation, rape and murder are things for which it is difficult, if not impossible, to be forgiving of.
that being said, where does one draw the line on forgiveness?
Re: Forgiveness, How Far Do You Take It?
Up to 77 times did Jesus say? Demonstrably hard to get the bitterness out of one's personality.
And nobody should sit on judgement of those who are struggling with this because there can be real issues that only the sufferer knows about. (There is no future for those who refuse to feel another's pain) However, we don't do ourselves a favour by denying that bitterness can be overcome and left behind. Like most things in life it is a choice. Just a caution - it doesn't help to go down to the hollow to wallow with other malcontents.
i have an idea on how to get information in a way that won't get you identified ... i wanted to put it to this forum for scrutiny before i actually put it into practice.
i am on several people's jw spam list.
.meaning they constantly send me the same things that go around in other circles, like the "send this to five friends" or they send the scriptures for the week's book study, or they send a "jws in the news" article or something like that.
Re: A possible way to get JWs info w/out incriminating oneself?
perhaps this would be more accurately phrased "without committing oneself" Millions of people do that every day when they read the literature and check their bibles, without getting into conspiracy theory. The simplicity of elegance (and honesty). Doubtless there will be wordy tedious 'sure things' recommended. But if one wants to know who will win the race, ask the horse. Has to be the one in the lead though. Can we keep up?
well saw him on the academy awards last night...ok, np.
today on the oprah show, chris rock was on there tooting bout how prince had an after oscar's party, with many there including himself.
and how prince did a few tunes.....hhmmm wonder how many from his cong were there, you know the reverant window washers and carpet cleaners.... no, just bad worldly associations.
Re: you all know prince is a thorn in my butt....
Why do people pick on the Royal Family? If he wants to remarry , what concern is that of ours?
it's been so long since i've been here.
hmmm...suppose that warrants a new introduction, which will conveniently lead to the subject of my post: ahh the freedom.
i am twenty years old, with my twenty-one run fast approaching.
Re: Ahh the Freedom
This is for those who fancy 'freedom' A blind old guy who lived hundreds of years ago - he knew a thing or two about 'motives' Apart from being simply amazing how he knew all this stuff, it is the most sublime poetry and good to see he is coming back into his own these days. enjoy!
; how wearisome
248: Eternity so spent in worship paid
249: To whom we hate. Let us not then pursue
250: By force impossible, by leave obtain'd
251: Unacceptable, though in Heav'n, our state
252: Of splendid vassalage, but rather seek
253: Our own good from our selves, and from our own
254: Live to our selves, though in this vast recess,
255: Free, and to none accountable, preferring
256: Hard liberty before the easie yoke
257: Of servile Pomp. Our greatness will appear
258: Then most conspicuous, when great things of small,
259: Useful of hurtful, prosperous of adverse
260: We can create, and in what place so e're
261: Thrive under evil, and work ease out of pain
262: Through labour and endurance.
This statement from "Belial" I think, from Book 2 of Milton's classic.
i have wondered why the governing body is callous when it comes to the rules they make that effect millions of their followers.
they enforce their ban on blood transfusions with the threat of disfellowshipment which has caused untold suffering and death for its members.
they make shunning mandatory of any member that doesn?t agree with their interpretation of the bible which destroys families and friendships, and in all this there doesn?t seem to be any let up.
Why is the Governing Body so Thoughtlessly Cruel?
This question might well be asked of Jehovah, seeing that he is going to tear the wicked ones away from the Earth. (Psalm 37:10,11) On the other hand, millions who are suffering today, may view that as a kindness.
i recently read an article about jw's that, if had the choice, would probably leave because of the deceptions, lies, etc., but don't because of family, friends, prestige, whatever, and instead lead a make-believe life going through the motions of being a loyal and believing follower of the watchtower organization.
most of those purported to be part of this non-believing/participating, but attending, jw population, are folks that have been associated with the jw's for a number of years, but, as many have, decided that the lies and constant changes (new light) just don't make sense anymore.
i would suspect that identifying those who just "go through the motions" of being a good jw would be difficult.
Jehovah's Witnesses Underground?
Many of them are - awaiting a resurrection. The Apostle Paul was of that opinion (Acts 24:15) Would there be any posting to this forum who believe in such a thing? (as usual, the question is rhetorical)
