Just a few more days till 18!
Unless you have the funds to be getting your own apartment, I would say to tread softly.
Legally your on your own at 18. Save all of your money because you may need it.
i have a mom who would rather me not go to college, keep me locked up in the house, and just serve jehovah.
i have a weak dad, instead of her being subjected to him, he's subjected to her.
he's on my side on most of the part but he's just weak on setting her straight.
Just a few more days till 18!
Unless you have the funds to be getting your own apartment, I would say to tread softly.
Legally your on your own at 18. Save all of your money because you may need it.
they were jws and blame everything on their jw past???
i know of people that never tried to get ahead or prosper themselves because they were witnesses.
never bought a house or a brand new car because they would rather rent and drive around in a jalopy that would break down.
Aww come on guys... I think Terry's way of putting things is very eloquent. Yes, he could have simplified things, but why should he have to?
Terry- One suggestion- Write a book, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
Mini...mini...mini...for someone so upset about people bitching you sure seem to be doing alot of it.
Love ya
Wow it's been really interesting reading all of your posts. Most seemed simple and able to achieve, but not unimportant by the least. Yet all were very endearing qualities that we all should strive to possess. I hope that we all live long enough to become who we really are inside. Love
hemp lover:
Greatness, Love, and Compassion of course. How I'm going to fulfill that is another story. p.s. Did the spaghetti come before or after the hemp? haha
Phil- Keep up the good work.
6of9- You want to be a carpenter? I've heard those guys can really party! hehehe
if you aren't a "believer", does it bother you when someone says "i'll pray for you" or "i prayed for you"?.
one of my colleagues is an incredibly kind and sweet person, and i know she says it because she believes she's doing something good on my behalf.
i always say "thank you for thinking of me", because i know that's the spirit she's intending to convey and that she cares about the situation i'm in vis-a-vis my jw relatives, but she knows i no longer believe in god (at least not in the sense that she does) - i wonder does she think that a few prayers are going to change my mind?
No. I know they mean well, even if I don't believe in it.
It's kind of like saying- I hope Santa visits you this year. I'll ask that he brings you something good.
Just say- Thanks Love!
i know that i asked before whether or not you thought i should talk to them again.
but i can't help feeling so guilty as to how things were left.
i know that they are at fault for us not having a relationship but i feel like the last words we say to each other shouldn't be mean just in case something should happen to one of us.
UPDATE................
I saw my sister at Krogers today. Just as I pulled into my parking space she pulled into the one right in front of me. We were both very nice to each other, even though it was awkward. We just sort of talked about the weather, nothing important. Then she said she had to go and I did too. Later in the store we came around the corner at the same time and almost ran our carts into each other. She said, " Oh it's you, I thought I recognized you from somewhere. Gess, I'm so stupid". I just said "That's ok, see ya" and kept walking to the other isle.
As I was shopping, I thought about our conversations together and it dawned on me. In those brief words, she must have put herself down like ten times. Saying that she was failing at school and she didn't know how she was going to do make it, and that she is so stupid, her car is dirty, she looked like a mess, her hair was frizzy. I got in the car and told my husband what I thought and that I actually felt sad for her. It made me cry hearing her talk that way about herself. Then I realized why she would talk behind my back and make up stories about me. It was because she felt so bad about herself! All of this time I felt so much anger at her for treating me this way that I never really saw it from her point of view.
I'm sure to her I have a story book romance, but we're human and we do have our problems. She sees me as successful, I see a housewife with big dreams. She sees my kids are smart, and I see that they have so much potential but they're still just kids so let them be kids. I saw her body getting older and she's looking more and more like mom, which I know she hates. I always looked up to her and never realized that she is intimidated by me. I can't stand her husband, even if I was single there would never be a chance with him. She knows that her husband is a cheater and has always had roving eyes. Every time I would go over their house he would try to talk to me and I would walk away because he grossed me out. All she saw was her husband making passes. I feel so sad for her.
All of this time I never saw it. I felt so bad about myself that I never knew she thought I was better than her. I've had so much anger over her accusing me of things and making up stories about me that I didn't see why she was doing this. I make her uncomfortable!
I'm going to write a letter to her. I'm going to be very nice and tell her that I still love her. I don't expect her to want to have a relationship with me, but I will at least mend things a little. I'll let her know that I don't hate her for what she's done but I think I understand her a little bit better. Love
What do you want to be remembered for in your life?
most of us often talk about what we don't like in the jws and why we left but i think there are some smart persons/families/entire congs there who know how to play the system, they don't really give a toss about the wts ideology (or behaviour) but they stay there just to have a good social or family life in exchange for giving 5 or 7 hours to the org per week.
to them it is a social club not a religion.
have you seen or heard anything on this?
Maybe I was just naive, but I always believed that what they were saying was "the truth". But their actions said that it was a social club with cliques, if you were in the right clique you could get away with murder.
they were jws and blame everything on their jw past???
i know of people that never tried to get ahead or prosper themselves because they were witnesses.
never bought a house or a brand new car because they would rather rent and drive around in a jalopy that would break down.
terry- beautifully written!
after i read coc and left the dubs for a short while i considered myself christian.
the way franz explained it, all that is required is to have faith in jesus and to love your neighbor as yourself and then you will be 'saved'.
the more i started pealing away at the onion though the dumber the premise of someone dying for my 'sins' seemed, and i just lost faith in it altogether.
I've said this part before- After being df I tried going back to get reinstated. At the time, I thought it was the right thing to do. At that elders meeting I was told that they needed to see my face around more. At the time I was healing from broken bones and it was HELL!!!! sitting there on those hard kh seats. I asked them if they thought J god had forgiven me, they said yes, I asked why they couldn't, they looked at each other and said I needed to PROVE myself to THEM. At that very moment, I had an epiphany, I realized that it was a club of men making all of the rules.
After I found out about all of the "new light" it just became more apparent. I didn't want to go to any religion. But then as time went on, I wanted to have all of the good memories again of associating with other people of like minds. So I "got saved" and went to church. Even though I participated, there was always something in the back of my head saying that this is all a club too. I went to every religion possible. ALL of the christian religions, budda, hindu, shamanism, pagan, and just looked into all of the others. None were for me.
Finally, I decided that I would try to find out what the very first humans religion was and just do that. So began my research into humans, then neanderthals, then further and further. And I realized that we don't really know if there's a god or who it might be, so we make up stories and fables to try and answer the questions we have about life and death. I feel like a monkey that fell out of the tree and just realized that I don't have to walk on all fours anymore.
In answer to your question- I stopped believing in the bible as god's word and started believing that it was just a book written by men a long time ago that did have some few words of wisdom. Just like the koran, and all of the other so called "holy" books. But as far as believing in something for scientific proof, I'll leave that up to the scientist. Love