CRR - How about a real heart-to-heart with your mom about being an adult who is no longer subject to the rules and regs of the GB? If you are there to assist her, then she has to accept YOU, as an adult who doesn't have to be there, but is willingly. Would she rather you not be there? As long as you aren't "doin it" in her house, she really should be complaining.
Nellie
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Embarassing situation
by ColdRedRain inthe other day, my mom foun pictures of me getting a lapdance.
i was very embarassed when i saw it, but now she wants to read the bible to me so i won't go to strip clubs anymore.
can you say "pure hell"?
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Greetings from Post-Wilma Survivor in Florida
by Nellie inhey all - glad to be back .
in case you've been wondering (and since i haven't been on - no power obviously), the damage down here in fort lauderdale is quite extensive.
i've been hearing from others that the media has been downplaying the severity of the the hit - but for those of us going through it, it was quite impressive.
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Nellie
Thanks all. You know, after I posted I started thinking about how this "disaster" would have been if I was a practicing Dub who routinely snubbed their neighbors - you know the kind - never let your kids play with their kids, never say more than a faint hello, etc.
Once I checked my messages, I found that 2 brothers did call while I had no power to see if we were okay. Actually, one is "my" bookstudy conductor (haven't been to a bookstudy in well over 2 years) - the other was my fleshly sister's (who couldn't reach her). I guess it was nice of them to call . . .
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Scales falling from my eyes. (very long!)
by PoppyR inhi everyone, totally new here.
and still associating with jws... have been baptised 23 years, that was at the tender age of 13 when i had absolutely no idea what i was doing.
i have always been considered a rebel...brought up in a family by a single parent, my two brothers are both elders, the younger being a regular pioneer, my sister a regular pioneer and serving in a foreign language congregation.
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Nellie
Poppy - Welcome Home!
I just finished reading Crisis of Conscience and I can't wait for you to get it. The first thing that shocked me was how big it was, yet it's usually a pretty easy read. (There's one section in the middle that tough to get through - you'll know it when you're there.) But all in all, the material is soooo fascinating!
I was talking with a friend of mine (a Dub) who was trying to encourage me to go to the meeting. He said he understood what I was going through. I told him he didn't because "he hadn't yet given himself permission to ask the questions". Hopefully you understand what I mean - the first step in getting the answers, is to ask the questions. We're taught NOT to ask them - they're natural questions (we all have them), but when they pop into our minds, we push them aside - afraid! Well, congratulations, you've put enough fear aside to ASK. And you've put fear aside enough to DO something about GETTING the answers! You came here and you bought CoC! The rest will happen naturally - not easily - but naturally.
However we can help - we'll be here!
Hugs - Nellie
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Greetings from Post-Wilma Survivor in Florida
by Nellie inhey all - glad to be back .
in case you've been wondering (and since i haven't been on - no power obviously), the damage down here in fort lauderdale is quite extensive.
i've been hearing from others that the media has been downplaying the severity of the the hit - but for those of us going through it, it was quite impressive.
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Nellie
Hey All - Glad to be backIn case you've been wondering (and since I haven't been on - no power obviously), the damage down here in Fort Lauderdale is quite extensive. I've been hearing from others that the media has been downplaying the severity of the the hit - but for those of us going through it, it was quite impressive. Supposedly, this is the first real hit in Broward County since the 50's - and honestly, it was the first time I've ever been scared. We've all seen the pictures of the trees blowing on TV, but it takes on a whole new light, when it's the trees outside your house!
The sound of the storm woke me up around 7:45 a.m. My whole family was asleep. I came downstairs to check on the house and found that the front door was slightly opening with the push and pull of the storm - water was coming in through it and I was afraid that it was going to blow off. As I stood there holding the door shut, I was trying to think of what I could do and finally grabbed an extension cord and tied the doorknob to the stair banister to keep it closed.
My husband left one window without shutters because there were so many trees/shrubs in front of it. Well, needless to say, there isn't much left to the trees or shrubs (since the wind was blowing in that direction) but it did allow us a great view of the storm since they were gone!
All in all, we were pretty lucky, we were without power for 3 days, but aside from trees and landscaping, it doesn't appear that we have any structural damage. We obviously lost some food, etc., but there are others around us who weren't so lucky. As we drove around surveying the area, we found many homes who had lost roof tiles, shingles, screened patios, etc. and the damage to those in mobile homes is unbelievable. I'm sure you've seen the pictures before - the main road is littered with pieces from their homes. I pray that none of them were silly enough to stay during the storm.
A major source of frustration has been the radio announcements of water and ice being distributed by (none other than) FEMA. The announcement came on that they were going to give out ice/water at 2:00 at 3 local parks. We drove to one park, only to be turned away by a police officer who said there was NO distribution there and to head to another park. We got there at 1:07 and waited along with probably 700 other vehicles until 4:15 - and STILL no trucks arrived. After we left, we heard through the grapeline that ONE truck showed up! As we sat in the car, there was a press announcement where "someone" was saying the trucks were delayed because they couldn't get GAS to fill up the trucks! Meanwhile, the victims of the storm were using what precious gas we had sitting in lines for hours for nothing! We've got gas stations here, WITH gas, but NO power, so they can't get us the gas!
I'm down to a 1/4 tank - so today's the day I attempt to get gas. But again, I'm NOT complaining - I am one of the lucky ones. My neighbors have been great - we already were really close - but this has been an opportunity for us to really hang out! The other thing that has really been in our favor, is that the temperature has been in the 60's 70's - if this had happened even 2 weeks ago, when we were in the 90's, this would have been really miserable!
Anyway, just thought you'd like to know . . .
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Condi Rice - What would you say?
by Uzzah ini am going tohave the opportunity to meet condi rice tomorrow while she is visiting ottawa.
she is arguably the most powerful/influencial woman in the world and i am excited about the meeting.. i am not a fan of her (bush's) policies but still meeting someone of this influence is not lost on me.. if you could say anything to her, what would it be?.
uzzah
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Q - Do you think the country is better off under the Bush administration? Quantify your answer.
Q - After visiting as many countries as you have, what processes do they have that you think we should /could incorporate into American policy? What are the chances of that happening?
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The story of my life (part 14- Reinstated)
by onacruse inas i said, the elders were very happy to accept my request for reinstatement.
i was almost like the proverbial prodigal son, having learned his lesson, and now finally coming back to the family, properly contrite and apologetic.. in a way i was, and in a way i wasn't.. i couldn't totally let go of the convictions i had about the wts being wrong about 1975. but i also couldn't let go of the fundamental and needful reality of my life that this was the only way of life i had ever known!...and i had never developed any social skills to expand beyond the boundaries within which i had been raised: in fact, i was utterly scared of trying to do that, and had been more than a little (the "shyster" episode) convinced that worldly people were simply not to be trusted.. so, the elders' first question was "have you stopped smoking?
" yes, i had.. good enough.. the next, and most pertinent question was: "do you now feel that the faithful and discreet slave is the appointed servant of jehovah?".
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Nellie
Boy do I remember those announcements, the applause and the congratulatory hugs and kisses! I've seen TONS of them! I can picture it well.
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CoC Review - "Power Corrupts, Ultimate Power Corrupts Ultimately"
by Nellie ini just finished reading crisis of conscience.
i don't know if it was a record or anything, but i just received it the other day and i'm finished!
my criticisms - surely brother franz knows who spearheaded the attacks he so eloquently discusses in his book, both the witchhunt against him personally and those he witnessed during the years.
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As I was posting my questions, I knew the probable answers and comments - but that doesn't stop me from wanting to know! You're right, if Franz had specifically said who was behind the witchhunt, he would probably have been sued for slander. I'm sure his editors and lawyers helped him frame the material in such a way as to protect him from harm.Our loss, perhaps you know though - what does the next book address?
Blues: It's hell and heaven and everything in between!
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A brief History of Me...
by Truth.Seeker ini was studying with jehovah's witnesses during my college years.
i found that they somehow was able to make me understand many of the meanings from the bible that i had never understood before.
i had a clearer sight of what it was to walk as a christian.
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Nellie
Welcome. Although we all live different lives, I believe we all (or most of us) have been exactly where you are standing. In some respects it appears we have some things in common - I didn't come to this site looking for dirt or with an "apostate" heart. I have been in the Truth for 35 years, and during that time always wanted more info about the history/past of the organization. I loved the Kingdom Proclaimers book and wanted more. THAT was my motivation.
Honestly, two, five, ten years ago - I wouldn't have had the guts to come to a site like this. But life happens and my personal maturity allowed me to exercise the God given freedom to find the courage to look. Needless to say, I didn't expect to find out all that I did. I was encouraged by many to read the book by Ray Franz, Crisis of Conscience - I completed it just hours ago. Suffice to say, if you accept his account as factual (and let's face it, it all comes down to what you believe is true - since none of us were there), then reading this book will lead you to the conclusion that although the 6 million or so followers of the organization are probably motivated by a desire to serve God through Christ - the leaders of the organization (the GB) are not spirit directed.
IF you are ready to accept this as a possibility, read this book! WHEN, you are ready to accept this possibility, read this book! You don't say how long you've been reading here at this site, but look around, explore all the areas and the links - I'm sorry you were disheartened - so was I - so were many others - this forum is a giant group session - it helps. You're not alone.
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I've been debating on whether or not to share this...but here goes
by findingmyway infor those of you who will be disgusted that i even attended the meeting, let alone allow my son to give his first public talk tonight, please, spare me the shouting messages.
i take full responsibility for what i experienced this evening.
yet, i feel the need to share this experience that has me enraged.
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Nellie
FMW - Welcome to the Board (I love LL too!)
You've received some good advice here. You haven't really addressed your relationship with your parents. Do you live with them? Are you dependent upon them? Can you pull your son away from the organization and yet not pull him away from your parents? Can you speak with your parents directly? Will they respect your wishes not to study with him (because even if he isn't at the meetings, I'm sure they'll talk to him about the Truth when you're not around)?
Leave the Truth - YUP - Leave the Organization - ABSOLUTELY - Leave the FAMILY - ONLY AS A LAST RESORT
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CoC Review - "Power Corrupts, Ultimate Power Corrupts Ultimately"
by Nellie ini just finished reading crisis of conscience.
i don't know if it was a record or anything, but i just received it the other day and i'm finished!
my criticisms - surely brother franz knows who spearheaded the attacks he so eloquently discusses in his book, both the witchhunt against him personally and those he witnessed during the years.
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I just finished reading Crisis of Conscience. I don't know if it was a record or anything, but I just received it the other day and I'm finished! (Obviously, not much else got done!)
My criticisms - surely Brother Franz KNOWS who spearheaded the attacks he so eloquently discusses in his book, both the witchhunt against him personally and those he witnessed during the years. Not only does he know who instigated the attacks, but I'm sure he also knows WHY they did ... and yet, he doesn't really come clean with all the details. He lumps them all together as a "body" when it comes to really laying blame. And, although he mentions who likely voted with whom, he doesn't share the "motivation" behind the story.
I WANT DETAILS . . . I want to know WHY those who voted to allow the Mexican brothers to bribe the officials felt they merited that consideration over those brothers in Malawi who were raped, beaten and killed. What was the motivation, money, property, race? He has to know more - what did they say? What were the deciding factors?
He doesn't really say who led the attack on him during his sabbatical - just weeks after he went away! He got calls - he knows who was behind it and WHY. I wanna know - what's a tell all, without the TELL ALL?
My accolades - I don't know if I could have gone through his experiences and not be more bitter. Yet, I've told you all that my 35 years in service to this organization have not left me angry and bitter, I haven't experienced the pain and attacks that he did and I'm honest enough to admit that I just don't know if I'd be where he is if I was where he was. I just don't know.
Brother Franz, if you're reading this . . . know this . . . I'm one of those who you address in the beginning of the book as "confused" and was looking for insights into the organization, probably to help me mentally reach the conclusions that my heart had already reached. And I thank you, I wanted to know about what you talked about. And having heard it, my mind has joined my heart and they have become solidified in their decision to move on . . . away from this organization, though not away from God and Christ.
To use another quote: "The truth has set me free!"