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  'Meeting' my non-witness family

  by sass_my_frass in

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  i'd like for my witness family to have to answer to my non-witness family for how they treat me.

  motherdarling complained that her sister asked her 'what will sass do if something goes wrong for her?

  ' i should have asked her what it meant; that she couldn't justify the shunning either.

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  I'd like for my witness family to have to answer to my non-witness family for how they treat me. Motherdarling complained that her sister asked her 'what will Sass do if something goes wrong for her?' I should have asked her what it meant; that she couldn't justify the shunning either.

  I'm just getting around losing the family and friends, and a coping mechanism is that I've made contact with my non-witness family - aunts, uncles, grandparents. I'm sad that I never really knew my grandparents (Motherdarling having slowed association with them after joining the cult) but I'm now becoming good friends, and just in time I think - the sun is starting to set.... :( It's great to be getting to know them, finally, and it's great for them that a 'long-lost grandchild' is back in their lives (well it's nice to think I'm good for them too).

  One scary thought I've just had - that my witness parents and siblings will lie to them about me and turn them away from me too. Surely they'll see through it though? I don't want to involve my 'new' family in the witness games (eg I don't ask them for gossip on the others). I just know how easy it is for a witness to lie to protect their organisation and am sure that my family do it to prevent themselves from looking like the loveless clones they are. If they pretend that I was the one to do the cutting off, I'd be cut.

  I suppose I can only stay friends with them, and let that speak for itself. They're probably used to the games by now.

  Sorry it's a silly thing to bring up but I've decided to keep a diary of only 'happy thoughts' and so have started using this site to track all my ugly witness-related feelings. The bonus is, this diary talks back!
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  Are women cows? Yes and No says the WTS

  by blondie in

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  w51 5/1 p. 278 making a success of marriage ***women are not cows or pieces of property that become exclusive possessions of husbands to do with them whatsoever they please.

  *** w61 12/15 pp.

  767-768 questions from readers *** .

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  EEeeeeeeeeeeew
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  why i dont love god

  by saturdaymorningblues in

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  first of all i find it very hard to pray...i dont like the way we have to talk into the air hoping he is listening.. i dont like the way he expects us to do his will no matter what.. i just dont like god..i hate his way of doing things and i dont like that he has permitted his creation to suffer whilst we are living.. ill never love jehovah

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  sass_my_frass

  I think it's very appropriate that it's Faithless who assert that God Is A DJ.

  Hang in there buddy, things will become clearer soon.
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  How many are having their first "real" Christmas this year?

  by wanderlustguy in

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  we had maybe four when i was about 10-14 after my parents split up, but i always felt guilty.. this will be my first one where i have no reservations...how about you?.

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  As it's my first xmas I want to do it properly, so I have to arrange a few things:

  at least two of the adults must engage in a fight,

  one of the younger teenagers must overimbibe in eggnog and vomit on the carpet,

  an older teenager must either come out, leave home or crash a car,

  a creepy older uncle must put some moves on one of the young wives,

  a layabout sibling must arrive at 3 am needing money,

  near-forgotten cousins must share their cigarettes with the youngest children,

  a hostess must suffer a near breakdown over the quality of one of the sauces,

  somebody's new boyfriend has to be suspected of stealing a family heirloom

  ... let me know if I've forgotten anything
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  How many are having their first "real" Christmas this year?

  by wanderlustguy in

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  we had maybe four when i was about 10-14 after my parents split up, but i always felt guilty.. this will be my first one where i have no reservations...how about you?.

  wlg

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  It's my first Christmas too! I've specified that the only gift I want (from the only person who will give one) is a donation to an aid organisation. I've put up fairy lights, but that's because we're not allowed to have candles (between the landlord and the allergy issues). Don't want to do the tree, but I'm making that Coquito recipe! Cha cha cha....
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  Do you do Christmas?

  by sass_my_frass in

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  this will be my first christmas.

  i'm not doing anything corny, no tree, no bigass fluoro santa.

  just joining my new (husband's) family at their xmas gig - tacky presents for the kids, lots of food, stories by the old folk.

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  This will be my first christmas. I'm not doing anything corny, no tree, no bigass fluoro santa. Just joining my new (husband's) family at their xmas gig - tacky presents for the kids, lots of food, stories by the old folk. Going to talk my way out of the midnight mass if I can. I'm really looking forward to it. Did anybody go a bit xmas mad?
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  Creation stories -- why?

  by Narkissos in

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  the issue of creation is very often discussed here.

  i for one don't feel the need for yet another "creation vs. evolution" debate, nor even for an additional discussion on the details and meaning(s) of the genesis stories.

  rather, i would like to start a more basic discussion on creation narratives in general, as those seem to be found in most cultures as far back as the history of writing goes.

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  When I'm in a mood to believe that there is a God, I think of the creation stories this way: I'm God. It's a primitive time on earth, there are very few people on the planet and they're not very bright. They think about tents and small tools and herding goats. They want to know how they got there, and to explain that I caused a huge explosion to form from from all the mass that exists in the universe compressed into a space smaller than anything they'll ever see, would be a stretch, as they've only just worked out fire. I can't tell them how long it took because they can't count past twenty or thirty, which is how many years they live. I can't explain how I came up with all the living designs because they're only just working out how to keep chickens. So I cut it down, give them the basics, and hope that one day they'll be intelligent enough to work it out for themselves. That is, one of the brighter ones tells the best story and works out how to record it. Enough people accept that as the truth that it lasts the ages. Of course that doesn't explain why he hasn't come back to clear things up, or, maybe he has.... maybe the scientists working this stuff out are having little miracle epiphanies. Maybe that's what divine inspiration was all along - a bright guy coming up with a new idea and standing by it long enough to be counted.
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  Watchtower directs us to kill our families!

  by free2beme in

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  when the watchtower ask you to turn in your own family for wrong doing, and subject them to possible disfellowshipping.

  by their own teaching, they are killing you.

  throwing you into the ocean to drown while they sail away into the new system of things.

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  That would have been the case with me, a few years ago. If I'd mentioned my doubts to them I'd have been reported to the elders for thoughtcrime, to protect the congregation from subversive influences. I was very deeply depressed at the time and that would have pushed me over the edge.

  A couple of years ago some elders gave me a 'shepherding call', at which I cautiously told them that the reason I haven't been out in field service is that I don't feel comfortable teaching people something I'm not entirely confident in myself. They could only tell me to take up a study with an older sister. I pictured myself being branded an apostate within the first three weeks of the knowledge book, so politely declined. My family though... no, I couldn't even form the words to tell them.

  I had a few depressing talks with my sister, the only thing I recall is tuning out after not being able to confound her logic, still being held by it myself at the time. The words 'I just don't believe it' were too simple, and would have alienated her for life. She would have 'marked' me and that would be that.

  Motherdarling turns into a psycho hosebeast whenever I present an argument that can't be answered. None of this calm 'leave it to Jehovah', she wants blood. She has told me that if I don't keep going to meetings to seek reinstatement, in her exact words, 'fuck you girl'. That's all I need to know about how much I can trust her.
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  I'm sorry but

  by toer5777 in

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  i have not yet to find another organization in the world that is like jw.

  yes it has made mistakes, there imperfect humans, but what other organization in the world goes preaching house to house like jesus did.

  why is that jw are persecuted all over the world?

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  Thank you toer; responses to your post have just confirmed to me that I'm on the right side of the cult - the OUTside.
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  Is recovery possible?

  by gcc2k in

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  hi guys.

  i haven't posted here in a year or so, perhaps more.

  i'm not sure what i want to say, and i'm not sure that i want to put it down, since the more info you give here, the easier it is to be spotted.

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  sass_my_frass

  Fact: returning to the kingdom hall won't make you a more moral person.

  Fact: you can have faith on your own; without being guided in what it should be in.