Sure we were told everything they wouldn't deal with, every slanderous remark and every wrong doing we happened to notice was a test. One day I just let some stupid brother have it and said to him "what do you mean TEST?? Test of what my INTELLIGENCE??? Well I'm not taking any more of your intelligence tests...the things I am telling you are a direct violation of Scriptual principles and you are refusing to deal with it which in iteslf is a direct violation of your duties as an elder!!" He just looked at me as if I wasn't there. Nothing was ever done about anything no matter what you knew. A sister slandered me terribly and no one did a thing about it. A witness fruitcake tied his mother's dog to a truck bumper and dragged it to death in front of the whole neighborhood because it bit him and probably for good reason, and NOT ONE THING was ever done about. It was another test you see. That whole family was a pack of degenerates including the grandfather of this Deliverance clan.. a PO of the congregation. We were told everything was none of our business. And JW's are supposed to forgive. What a joy to be free of that cesspool!!
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Were you told you had to tolerate things as a test?
by LongHairGal in(i made a thread like this but it seemed to have gotten lost).
i got in some heated discussions years ago over what i would and would not tolerate from people with regard to abuse on a personal level.
we were always fed the line that we should forgive our brother, etc.
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Does Devil Talk Irritate You?
by love2Bworldly ini enjoy reading the bible on my own since i left the jw's.
i get extremely irritated when other people talk to me about how satan is causing certain things in my life--example is if i'm not getting along with a coworker or anything like that.
(my husband also blames satan).
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Hey, Rod, what I've just read in your comments makes a LOT of sense to me. I beleive also that there IS a dark side, that there are entities anyone in their right mind would do well to avoid. Your mention of psychiatry prompts me to share a story. When spiritistic practises surged in the seventies,i.e.: "channeling" and other related satanic-cult stuff hospital ER's began to see a sharp spike in psychiatric admissions. Perhaps other nurses posting here can co-oborate my statements. In my home town hospital many years ago, a woman was admitted to our medical ward as psyche was full. My charge nurse came up to me and point blank asked me if I would take this admission as the other nurses were terrified of her.."and besides, you have had more experience with this stuff because of your background (meaning my JW past)" The young woman 's admission orders read "acute schizophrenic breakdown". So I was confused at the illusions the charge nurse had made to my experience until the admitting psychiatrist came to speak to me. He had been a child psychiatrist so I was quite startled to have him take me aside and tell me that he was part of the new area of his specialty which was to investigate whether or not people like this young woman were indeed mentally ill or "possessed". He told me he couldn't admit her under such an outlandish diagnosis but his preliminary workup showed she was not mentally ill....could I deal with that? To make a long story short I spent that night shift walking the halls and sitting with this poor girl and every time I looked into her eyes I saw a blackness in them you do not see even in the eyes of bonafide psych patients. It was a version of that saying...when you look into the abyss, the abyss looks into you. There were times I wanted to get up and run from her because "Someone" and it wasn't her, was looking back at me. The woman knew she needed help to get out of the horror story she was in and was on the verge of suicide to get out for good. I will NEVER forget those eyes. Incidently, the story she told me was later exposed in a magazine article written about the satanic cult activity in the city she had fled from!! As a witness I had been taught about the devil and all that...so I knew this woman was telling the truth. But I do recall that the dubs went overboard on the theme attributing every stupid human error of judgement to Satan and when I left I looked back on my time with them as proof positive, nevermind what I know now, that there really is a devil. Leaving the Borg was like leaving a coven for me...the clean feeling of having gotten rid of unspeakable evil was what I recall.
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Well, how do you like it?
by Schizm in.
bronze sculpture depicting david & goliath.. actual size: 14 feet high x 16 feet long x 14 feet wide.. .
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HOT DAMN! I like it!!
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Personality Wise----Are You THAT Much Different Since Leaving The "Truth"?
by minimus ini believe that most people are what they are----whether they were jws or are exes.
for example, if you were a basically happy go lucky person in the hall, you probably have that same nature now.
conversely, if you were accused of always complaining and being miserable then, you probably still bitch and moan now.
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Robert K Stock: AMENNNNNNNN!!!!!! The end.
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Closure? What has been your experience?
by ljwtiamb inwhat has given you the greatest peace of mind?
must one initiate their own exit or does it matter that a jc pushes an issue?
df or da or fade?
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Welcome! You're in GOOD company here..lots of survivors and walking wounded here to share with.My experience with leaving the org. was one step..I was out, but I found I wasn't free. Closure took some time because I had a lot of rage toward the callous way I was treated, dumped off to one side when all I had was the religion to lean on. In one fell swoop I was consigned to the rubbish heap...no friends other than JW's etc. etc..you know the story. Then I read somewhere that anger is a form of emotional connection and therefore keeps you connected to the very thing you hate. I resolved to put the energy generated by all that rage to good use.It propelled me into college and the more I learned there the more I wanted to learn. Going into the forbidden city of Higher Education and enjoying it and becoming someone in the process was as if I had stood up at a convention and given the whole sorry organization the One-finger salute with both hands. Now that's CLOSURE...at least for me. You'll find your way, trust me :) Big hug of welcome doll, you'll be fine!
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low self esteem issues....need some experiences.......please
by eye 23 in.
i wondered if anyone would give me their stories of how the wtbts stole their selfesteem....doesn't have to be long.. need to show someone that this is indeed what happens to some..... as a good friend of mine said .
'if i'm no good for god, i'm no good for anyone' .
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Eye-23 If you are still checking your posting of a couple or three days ago, I'd like to add my two cents worth and holy COW, I never realised so many x-dub women have such emotional problems. I was a wild-child from early in life and always was a thinker of my own thoughts. I thank God that I kept that independent spirit because the moment I made the decision to break free I felt a powerful release from all that crap that I can never forget. The JW religion has many similarities to radical Islam. LadyLee mentioned the burka...she is right on because what happened to us is effectively the same. You become hidden away. you become null and void as a woman. It's as if you go into a sleep. I remember hearing brothers making some very sexist comments, I saw brothers ogling "worldly" women openly on many occasions. I remember being put down too, only I never let them get away with it. Some of the brothers were afraid of my observations on their double standards too. The thing that restored me to full function, however was to go to school. There I found out that my outspoken ways were welcomed even encouraged. I at last was free to be me. Acing college level subjects gave me in a very short time all the confidence I needed. The Witless religion suffocates intellect , it wants compliant ninnies ,it treats women like they're semi-retarded children. In order for that fakery to continue it's in their best interest to suck the life out of you so that you can almost not function without it. It has always struck me as very significant that the watchtower crappola will not tolerate any view of women that does'nt fit the scenario of the 1950's.They are stuck there, they recognize nothing but their own backward view. Just getting out of that Black Hole of religious shite should make you proud, girl! I now believe that the JW religion is a sinister and frightning cult just like radical Islam. There are too many similarities to get into here. Thank God we are OUT!!!!
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Do Jehovah's Witnesses Have The Reputation THEY Think They Have?
by minimus inwitnesses believe they are special.
the publications give many examples of how wonderful a witness was viewed upon by a "worldly" person.
kms tell of how so many praise the witnesses for being so "different".....what would you say is the real way people view jws??
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They're legends in their own minds!
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JW related movie titles
by Markfromcali ini think there was a thread on this at some point but search is not working, wouldn't know the keywords anyway.. but like i just thought of escape from brooklyn bethel - instead of escape from new york.. it would be cool if someone can write little blurbs for these too.
anyone have/remember others?
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How about: Ben-Hurl (at sea with the Borg constantly changing course)
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A relationship with God or the organization ?
by vitty ini have been thinking about this for a while, so here goes.
when i was in the "truth" i truly believed in god, i prayed and tried to do what was right ( wt style) then when i started reading stuff and the experiences on here it didnt take very long before i knew the "truth" wasnt true after all.. so after 20 years as an adult that i spent in, it litrually took a few hours to come out.. ive asked myself how and why did this happen?
and so quickly.. at first i felt i still believed in jehovah, but if the wt was wrong, where did that leave me.
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Great post Terry! Does anyone out there recall a story some years back..(maybe an urban legend. maybe it was true) about a bunch of Japanese soldiers who walked out of the jungle somewhere in the south Pacific thinking that World War 2 was still going on....Even if its not true it perfectly illustrates us when we come out of the mental darkness of the WTBTS. Those guys I remember reading were sneaking around in the bushes on patrol looking for the enemy, avoiding contact with everone and everything and imagine their surprise to finally come out into the light of day and find out that while they were on guard against the enemy for all those years they had been living a lie!!! And on someone elses faulty understanding and arbitrary orders! We all have been through an experience just like this.Living behind a wall, socially isolated and stunted. Afraid of the BIG BAD WORLD. Then we realise the people we called our real family were nothing of the kind. We now realise that we had seen the enemy and he was us! The only cure for what was done to us is to get deeply in- volved with something we like to do: go to school, take a course , dabble in the arts, join a club. Ive found that other people have their stories too; there are plenty of psychotic families and religions out there, plenty of mixed up people from all walks of life trying to repair the damage from something or other, not just us. Everywhere you look in the world today there is someone who could benefit from your unique experience in surviving spiritual abuse. I found I could help myself by helping others. It might work for you too, Just reading the postings on this web site has given me a lot of comfort...I know Im not alone and others have had the same experiences and this has given me a new perspective on the whole sorry mess! Hanging in there too, Z
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Barb Anderson's Court Hearing Update
by AndersonsInfo ingreetings from tennessee.
thank you for your inquiries regarding the barbara anderson vs. watchtower tennessee appellate court hearing, which took place on thursday, april 14, 2005. accompanied by steve and joy imhof, from panama city beach, florida, and our attorney, jerre hood, from winchester, tennessee, we drove to nashville to attend the 1:00 p.m. scheduled appellate hearing.
this hearing was requested last year by defendants in the case, and they are: the numerous corporations of watchtower bible and tract society; watchtower spokespersons, j. r. brown, and david semonian, and certain elders of the manchester, tn congregation of jws.
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Barb Anderson, you go girl!!! Its because of the article in an Albuquerque newspaper last year sometime that I became aware of Silentlambs. I have been out of the org. for 30 years and had absolutely no one to talk to about what I saw going on before I left.I had no idea there was so much support out there, or so many people with the same shocking stories . Back then there just wasnt any group of ex-witnesses one could contact. So when I visited the Silentlambs web site and saw the extent of the community of ex-dubs I just let out a yell. At last the filthy little secrets are coming out, at last we can get together online and support one another. Ever since the 1975 garbage happened a great shaking has taken place. I left in Sept. of 1975 fully confident that I was doing the right thing. This child abuse thing and the wrongful disfellowshipping has got to be addressed. These people are beyond ridiculous, what they do with their cretinous rules and manmade regulations is just obscene. Thank you for having the character and the integrity to stand up to those modern day Pharasees!!! The jdubs blit and blather on and on about TRUTH without the slightest interest in the truth about anything. An ex-elder I knew once told me that the Witnesses are the new Catholic Church, and you know what...hes absoluely right!! Regards and hugs.