I haven't seen the show but I've read about him. I grew up in Alaska and I can tell you that it is a magnet for all kinds of characters and nutcases. The guy you're talking about was one of these, "bears won't attack people, they're our friends," type of guys. Well, in the end he and his girlfriend apparently got to be very close friends with the inside of a grizzly's stomach.
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Has anyone seen "Grizzly Man"?
by Low-Key Lysmith ini just watched this amazing and beautifully filmed documentary about a crazy, crazy man who lived with alaskan brown bears and ultimately was killed by them.
this film is really interesting.
the guy it's about is nuttier than squirrel poop.
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Franz's and Jonssons's work
by truth finder inthere exists many interesting facts in direct conflict with the watchtower society, or are just not brought forward for some reason or another by the watchtower society.
this is a well known fact amongst many observers, and previous witnesses, that the watchtower society either hides the evidence by not mentioning anything about the material, or indirectly by misquoting the source (as is the case of the ante-nicene fathers).
i have selection from raymond franzs crisis of conscience.
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Johnsson got thrown out by the FDS for the effort he made to assert the correct chronology on Jerusalem's fall. Excommunicating scholars interested in historical accuracy shows what the WTS is all about, you may be justified in expelling members for moral misdeeds, but for their positions on history....
I couldn't agree with you more. Especially when you consider how often the society's chronology has had to be readjusted over the years (as Johnsson's book points out). When I began to have serious doubts about JWs, I bought this book and studied it every day on my lunch break at work. It's phenomenal.
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What were your plans for self-improvement in the New System?
by Low-Key Lysmith ini had some serious goals!.
i was going to skydive (hey, nobody dies in the new system, right?).
frolick with grizzly bears and swim with great whites.
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I was going to have a tiger, to ride on, like He-man. Awesome.
When we were kids, my best freind and I always said we were going to ride cougars. Why cougars? I have no idea
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An unexpected visit
by InquiryMan inmy family and i stopped being active witnesses some 3 and a half years ago.
we did the fade thing, thus we are neither das nor df.
before we stopped, i served as an elder.
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This illustrates a point that seems to be lost on some members of this board: Not all JWs follow the dictates of the Society in every matter of their lives.
When I first became a Witness, I couldn't understand why some people I looked to as "strong in the truth" seemed to skirt some of the JW rules, or outright contradict them. For example, I knew many who had regular involvement with DF'd relatives living outside the household, including elders and pioneers. I know an elder and his family on the east coast who have celebrated birthdays for years (it is a poorly kept secret in his congregation, yet he continues to serve as an elder). I know another elder who has occasionaly paid for massages complete with happy endings.
In my mind I always thought: Why remain as a JW if you're faith is not strong enough to motivate you to follow the moral code? In other words, when I believed it was "the truth," I lived it. When I realized it wasn't the truth, I got out.
I've occasionally discussed this with my fleshly brother (still a nominal JW) and his take on it is the following: Many JWs who are decent, reasonable people, end up finding a balance between JW rules and the realities of living in this world and having real relationships with the people around them. Most still believe that the basic fundamentals of the faith are true, but feel that a lot of the rest should be "conscience matters" that are no one's business but their own.
Others may even doubt the "truth" entirely, but their families are JWs, their friends are JWs, their entire life is enmeshed with JWs--and they simply decide that leaving is not worth the turmoil and fallout that would ensue. Hence they go through the motions but privately do as they please.
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Is the Watchtower Society strong enough to win this war with the internet?
by jack w incould it be that the wts actually thinks it can win this war?
i mean, they are forcing sites to close down, suing the people that run them etc.
i wonder if this is the way they want to "handle" the internet problem.
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Plenty of others have already said it quite well, but I'll add my voice to the mix:
No they can't win this war. Just like communist China, they are discovering that trying to keep people from communicating and learning via the web is a losing proposition. As long as the web is available, people are only going to become more and more savvy at using it to spread information. I think it will hasten either the transformation or the demise of JWs, but it won't happen overnight.
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I can't stand it so I must post this creationist respond if you can
by skyman ini can't stand it i got to post.
the grand canyon actually disprove creationist because granit rock is the toughest of rocks found on earth.
the grand canyon has areas filled only with granit rock.
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Kaibab Limestone Toroweap Formation Coconino Sandstone Hermit Shale Supai Formation Redwall Limestone Mauv Limestone Bright Angel Shale Tapeats Sandstone Vishnu Schist
Yes my understanding is that the Grand Canyon is primarily made up of layers of shale (mudstone), sandstone, and limestone. It is these alternating layers of sedimentary rock which are responsible for the shape of the canyon walls, alternating between vertical faces and crumbling sloped layers, depending on the strength of the rock layer. Here is a diagram illustrating the layers and the time periods in which they formed: -
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Franz's and Jonssons's work
by truth finder inthere exists many interesting facts in direct conflict with the watchtower society, or are just not brought forward for some reason or another by the watchtower society.
this is a well known fact amongst many observers, and previous witnesses, that the watchtower society either hides the evidence by not mentioning anything about the material, or indirectly by misquoting the source (as is the case of the ante-nicene fathers).
i have selection from raymond franzs crisis of conscience.
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The Gentile Times Reconsidered, is no longer published, and is indeed a rarity
On the contrary it was republished in 2004 and is not rare at all.
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Starting a collection of the Inexplicable JW Doctrines...
by AuldSoul ini am starting a collection of jw doctrines and practices that have no basis in the scriptures and (preferably) that the scriptures or secular history directly contradicts.
this isn''t a thread for arguing with scholar is he drops by.
i want as comprehensive a set as possible as part of a project i am working on, so even if you aren't sure of one, please toss it in the mix.
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Most of this just comes down to one person's belief against another's. Your average JW could go down the list and rebutt every point you listed. That's why there are so many religions.
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Apostates protesting conventions = Something I laughed at
by free2beme insorry if there are those apostates here that do this, but you were often the butt of a joke and nothing taken serious.
i personally loved the ones who wore paper bags over their head, as they were often people still afraid of getting in trouble.
it is not like a political rally with people saying "make love, not war.
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My experience seeing them was that it validated my sense of feeling "persecuted" by "the enemies." I always felt great when I saw them, "yep...those poor bitter folks. they left Jehovah and now look at 'em...a bunch of sorry hate-obsessed wackjobs."
I honestly think it's counterproductive, as it tends to generate sympathy for JWs in the community where these people will also be seen as crazies.
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Prostitution and Marijuana
by free2beme ini feel that as a country we waste so much time and money fighting prostitution and marijuana use.
not that i think these things are something everyone should use, but the fact that we make these illegal and yet other things happen that are the same thing, or worse.
for example, in nevada, outside the city limits, it is legal for prostitution.
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Prostitution is not just a business. It envolves degradation of the woman in most cases.
I have to disagree with you here. There are different types of prostitutes and prostitution--everything from your drugged out streetwalkers to your fancy high priced call girls and escorts.
If you browse the web for escort services you will see that many of these women are able to set their own standards for clientele and make some decent money for themselves at the same time. There are websites devoted to the "hobby" as it is called, where men discuss the pluses and minuses of the ladies available in their area. If you read through some of the postings on such sites, you will see that many of the men get to know the girls on a personal level, become friends and even stay in touch after they've moved or left the "business."
Of course there is also the type of prostitution which you refer to where girls are used as part of a criminal enterprise to put money in the pockets of pimps and are subject to violence and often involved in heavy drug use. I would argue that if prostitution was legalized and regulated, this type of operation would wither up and go away. You could also greatly reduce the risk of STDs.
Prostitution has been around for a long long time--ever since Judah decided to get himself a little side-action on the way to Timnah--and long before that. By legalizing it and regulating it, you take it out from the seedy underworld and make it as safe as possible--a win win situation in my book.
