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  best ex JW sites

  by cobweb in

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  i used to visit this site about ten years ago.

  i haven't come her in a long time.

  i have just recently started talking to a family member who is leaving the jws and i wanted to know what are the best sites available these days for finding out all the topics of information - failed prophecy, 1975, rutherford's drinking, russells tombstone - you know all of that kind of stuff.. back in the day there used to be a site run by a norwegian i think called kent.

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  Bangalore:
  

  Here are some interesting blogs.

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  https://jeffro77.wordpress.com/

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  If anyone has comments or suggestions for additional content, I'd be happy to hear them.
  
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  GB says, "Our way of worship will soon be altered."

  by Separation of Powers in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my mom called me yesterday to ask how i was doing.

  i hadn't seen her in a while, so it was nice to hear her voice.

  we went through the motions of jw small talk and then she started telling me about her co visit from last week.

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  WTWizard:

  Soon, very soon, their way of worship will be altered.  How soon?  Sometime between April 18 and August 10, 2015 as Neptune lines up in 9 degrees of Pisces.

  No. Just... no.
  
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  Happy at Bethel. Can't believe what I'm seeing.

  by Pubsinger in

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  2. beliefs

  apologies if this has already been posted but i am speechless.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnbmyudrwgs&x-yt-ts=1422327029&x-yt-cl=84838260#t=72.

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  Magwitch:

  OMG!  It is hard to imagine that this is the same religion that Russell and Rutherford were a part of.

  Why not. They celebrated Christmas and birthdays too. Christmas was only banned by Rutherford in the 1920s, and birthdays weren't banned until years after his death.
  
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  GB says, "Our way of worship will soon be altered."

  by Separation of Powers in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my mom called me yesterday to ask how i was doing.

  i hadn't seen her in a while, so it was nice to hear her voice.

  we went through the motions of jw small talk and then she started telling me about her co visit from last week.

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  Separation of Powers:
  

  She then reminds me how much Jehovah loves me and the urgency of the times.  She says, "The brother said that the GB want us all to know that soon, very soon our way of worship will be altered by this wicked world."

  Their 'special announcements' are never particularly exciting.

  If their previous form is anything to go by, it's probably another Kingdom News 'campaign', though it could refer to yet another nutty change in doctrine.

  The 'GB' is basically just making it up as they go along.

  Or it could just be speculation based on gossip.
  
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  Jw still believe 4026 B.C.E as Adams creation...?

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was doing some "research" and came across jw articles that all talk about 4026 b.c.e as adams creation.

  it even went as far as to state, "there are no actual records of ancient man, his writing, agriculture, and other pursuits, extending into the past before 4026 b.c.e., the date of adams creation.

  since the scriptures outline mans history from the very creation of the first human pair, there can be no such thing as prehistoric man.

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  DesirousOfChange:

  Have not seen that mentioned recently, but have not seen it retracted either.

  It was most recently mentioned in 2013, in the revised edition of the New World Translation, appendix B2.
  
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  Did God establish His Covenant with the Gentile Nations or the Jews?

  by sowhatnow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  im not sure where to post this but i think its telling.

  not long but read it closely i get a bit confused on the latter half.

  the question is did god establish his covenant with the gentile nations or the jews.. [though i have read from a jewish web source, that the jews have nothing to do with israel and the greek scriptures or half the hebrew scriptures ].

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  Did God establish His Covenant with the Gentile Nations or the Jews?

  No.

  Well... that was easy.
  
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  ARE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY STATISTICS REALLY TRUSTWORTHY?

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  2. scandals

  of these, over 2,000 were admitted to concentration camps.

  1,000 died in prison and concentration camps.

  another 1,000 of jehovah's witnesses died in prisons and concentration camps.".

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  Crazyguy:

  Its just like their membership numbers printed every year and stating things like there are witnesses in places like Pakistan. Its my opinion their numbers are lies and some of the places they say they have members are lies.

  Even if the statistics aren't simply made up by the Watch Tower Society, they're based on self-reported statistics, which many JWs know to be exaggerated—especially when it comes to reported preaching, for which there is an incentive to report time that is either inflated or entirely made up.

  Beyond that, while their method of only counting those involved in 'preaching' as 'members' may seem modest, it is actually geared toward exaggerating their growth rates.

  Most JW growth is made up of 'born-ins', and their statistics for 'Bible studies' are also majorly skewed by JW parents having 'Bible studies' with their own children.

  Seventh Day Adventists make the same trade-off with their membership statistics by only counting baptised members to inflate growth rates. This method of exaggerating their grown may go back to their common origins in the 19th century.
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  NGO list 2010 - IBSA, EAJCW, Office of General Counsel for Jehovah's Witnesses-USA

  by Glitchy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  russian, uk, and usa witnesses listed as ngo's!.

  all i can say is wow!

  see pages 2, 10, and 23!.

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  There's nothing inherently 'wrong' with being an NGO. Any organisation that isn't governmental is by definition an 'NGO'. But it is odd that an organisation that claims to be 'politically neutral' and 'no part of the world' is involved with the OSCE.
  
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  Clever/snappy comeback for "you're an apostate"

  by Dagney in

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  2. friends

  i'm looking for some clever comebacks.

  i really don't care that i am an apostate, but would like to deliver a quick comeback or two to perhaps make the other person think.

  any suggestions most welcome.

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  Awake!, 22 June 2000, page 6:
  

  Some people insult those who disagree with them by questioning character or motives instead of focusing on the facts. Name-calling slaps a negative, easy-to-remember label onto a person, a group, or an idea. The name-caller hopes that the label will stick. If people reject the person or the idea on the basis of the negative label instead of weighing the evidence for themselves, the name-caller’s strategy has worked.
  
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  Evidence regarding Daniel 11 & Antiochus IV

  by Bobcat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was doing research on daniel 8 and 11. what i was wondering was if there was any evidence that the jews saw daniel 8 and 11 fulfilled in antiochus iv.. the explained fulfillments (re: antiochus; non-wt explanations) make a lot of sense, but what specifically i was wondering was if the jews (after the time of antiochus iv) saw the daniel prophecies as being fulfilled in him?

  or if there are any threads that discuss this, a link would be appreciated.. thank you in advance.. take care.

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  All of Daniel chapter 11 relates to events up to Antiochus IV in the 2nd century BCE. There is no good reason to believe they refer to any later period.

  See here for more information.