Posts by Jeffro

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Or was it Designed???

by Slidin Fast in

awake!

1 2017 says on its back page.

the saharan silver ant (cataglyphis bombycina) is one of the most heat-tolerant land animals known.

Jeffro

Perry:

According to the bible's explanation,

"explanation". ha ha ha ha ha ha... anyway...

the present features we observe in animals that are used for hunting, and defense were not originally used for that purpose. Alternatively, God could have brought in some features we observe as a result of the Fall and the curse upon creation.

Entirely made-up nonsense.

In any case, biblical creationists such as JWs are stuck with the problem that they implicitly require that an evolutionary process happened - orders of magnitude faster than what actually occurred in reality (several billion years, which they deny) - after the supposed 'flood' (supposedly around 4000 years ago), an event that was apparently only survived by a relatively limited number of undefined 'kinds' into the wealth of diversity today, while at the same time asserting that specific traits of individual species that couldn't possibly have all fit on the imaginary 'ark' 'must' have been specifically 'created' by their preferred deity. Cognitive dissonance at its best (or worst depending on the context).

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Or was it Designed???

by Slidin Fast in

awake!

1 2017 says on its back page.

the saharan silver ant (cataglyphis bombycina) is one of the most heat-tolerant land animals known.

Jeffro

Every time JW publications try this tactic of saying some particular species has some 'amazing' trait that 'must' have been 'designed', they demonstrate how dishonest they are.

If this particular species of ant had to be 'designed' to withstand high temperatures, it would mean this specific species - and by extension all species - would need to be 'preserved' on the fairy-tale 'ark' rather than there only needing to be a few 'kinds' (a vacuous term with no taxonomic meaning).

In addition, they implicitly assert that their 'loving' god deliberately 'designed' all manner of 'cruel' things in the natural world, such as parasites, viruses, etc.

Back in reality, it is observable that species gradually adapt and become more diverse over time based on their suitability for their environment without requiring a 'designer'.

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AUST: QLD Cairns Post - Tablelands police charge former JW with offences against children

by darkspilver in

i believe this has appeared into today's edition of the cairns post print newspaper (saturday 4 february 2017) at the top of page 4 under the headline: "indecent charges for man" - the actual text of the article is apparently the same as the online version below:.

cairns post - saturday 4 february 2017. tablelands police charge former jehovah’s witness with offences against children.

an elderly tablelands man and former jehovah’s witness member will appear in court this month amid allegations he molested three young girls from the church more than 25 years ago.

Jeffro

gerry:

You are right the article is not the same as the BCG case.
I believe Angus was questioning Ron de Rooy about another case not related to BCG that happened in the Mareeba congregation.
watch the video again my understanding is that Angus is not talking about BCG's father. Ron de Rooy says he vaguely remembers dealing with this person.

Sorry, yes I realised after I posted that you were talking about a different case that was mentioned as an aside. I was only going from memory of watching the videos months ago when I initially replied.

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"would you drink a glass of water if it had just a tiny bit of poison in it?"

by stuckinarut2 in

no doubt we have all heard that well used "illustration" in public talks etc over the years:.

"if you were handed a glass of water that looked pure, but were told it has just a tiny drop of poison in it, would you drink it?".

the society has used that illustration at length to say we should avoid all influences of every part of the world.. but, as we know, the society has had a track record of errors, false ideas and doctrines.

Jeffro

"would you drink a glass of water if it had just a tiny bit of poison in it?"

That would basically be the definition of homeopathy. So, no.

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AUST: QLD Cairns Post - Tablelands police charge former JW with offences against children

by darkspilver in

i believe this has appeared into today's edition of the cairns post print newspaper (saturday 4 february 2017) at the top of page 4 under the headline: "indecent charges for man" - the actual text of the article is apparently the same as the online version below:.

cairns post - saturday 4 february 2017. tablelands police charge former jehovah’s witness with offences against children.

an elderly tablelands man and former jehovah’s witness member will appear in court this month amid allegations he molested three young girls from the church more than 25 years ago.

Jeffro

gerry:

This is the elder from Mareeba congregation. I would have a guess that Angus is questioning the elder about this case.
Very damming if it is the same case as in the lead up to this questioning, Angus is asking the elder how do you protect the congregation from an abuser if he is deemed repentant and no one knows he is an abuser.. check it out.

The Cairns Post article is not the same as the BCG case. In the case involving BCG, her father was found guilty and imprisoned. Though it was also brought out that the father also abused BCG's sisters, the ages reported in the Cairns Post article do not seem to match their circumstances either. It could be the other case mentioned in the linked video, but it's not entirely clear.

It is quite disturbing to learn of yet another case in that small town.

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the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

by pleaseresearch in

so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

Jeffro

Rattigan350:

JWs are correct about 607 and 1914. Somewhat. The theory behind it is that Jehovah told David that his offspring would sit on Jehovah's throne forever culminating in Jesus. But when Jesus was on earth he didn't become king. Infact at that time, David's offspring were no longer in power on Jehovah's throne. Did Jehovah's statement fail?
No, it was paused. The kings in the line of David lost power when they became subject to another government. That happened in 607. In 587 Jerusalem was destroyed. 11 years prior, in 598, Zedekiah became king. 11 years and months prior to that in 610, Jehoiakim became king. Daniel said that 3 years after that, 607, captives were taken. Thus 607 is when the kings in the line of David lost sovereignty for 2520 years until 1914 when Jesus became king.

Nope. Only one person is ever described as being on 'Jehovah's throne' in the 'Old Testament'. Solomon. No one else. Jeremiah 3:14-17 indicates that even during the reign of 'good' king Josiah, rule from Jerusalem was not considered to represent “Jehovah’s throne”, which was only seen as a future event.

Additionally, not only is the starting year Rattigan has provided for Jehoiakim's reign completely wrong, but his reckoning of Daniel's reference to 'third year' is also wrong, because it fails to take into account the fact that Daniel uses accession-year dating. The reference to Jehoiakim's 'third year' in Daniel in fact refers to Jehoiakim's paying tribute to Nebuchadnezzar in early 604 BCE, which can be verified by comparison with BM 21946. After 3 full years (604, 603 and 602, all starting from Nisan) of paying tribute, he refused, in early 600 BCE (before Nisan, meaning 601 was not a full year of paying tribute), which can also be verified from 2 Kings 24:1 and BM 21946.

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the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

by pleaseresearch in

so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

Jeffro

Hoffnung:

and the city of Babylon was eventually destroyed more than 1000 years ago and has not been rebuilt until today. and nobody is living there. not that i care now, but also in this the bible was right.

Actually, the area that 'has not been rebuilt' (which has actually been partially rebuilt) only refers to a small area of ruins a few hundred metres across that is preserved as a heritage site. Anyone who thinks that small area was the entire city of Babylon is either unaware of the facts, or extremely dishonest (and apparently they think that the Babylonians as well as all the exiled Jews as well as exiles from other nations - supposedly including the entire population of Egypt for a time - were confined to that small area??!!). The ruins are just outside the city of Hillah, which has a population of a few hundred thousand, and is the administrative city of Babylon Province, which has over 1 million people.

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GB bites off more than they can chew!

by biblexaminer in

the gb bit off more than they can chew.

they promised that the nwt revised would be available in so many languages by now, and they have failed miserably.. english stands alone.

as a result, they are in damage control mode.

Jeffro

The 2015 article also claims:

In time, the revised New World Translation will be made available in more languages. Satan tries to block such efforts, but we trust that Jehovah wants to have all his people listen as he speaks to them in clear, understandable language.

Paranoid much?

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Jeffro

God does not need us to believe in Him for His purpose to come to fruition, which would beg the question what that purpose is.

The existence of a god is an unfalsifiable claim, since proponents of the concept claim that such a deity is a 'spirit' (whatever that means) that is separate in some undefined way to the natural universe. And that is a separate broader issue to then having to establish the existence of the god as represented in the Bible.

Any claim about what the biblical god 'wants' or 'needs' without first providing evidence that the god of the Bible exists is nothing more than philosophical speculation.

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The WTBTS' Webmaster Caught In Another Lie!

by JW GoneBad in

wt's i. t. personnel have no shame putting this content into their website.

in the 'frequently asked questions about jehovah's witnesses' section of their website the following appears: .

how do you know how many are actively witnessing?.

Jeffro

oppostate:

As our COBE commented during a WT study meeting.
"Not turning in your service time is worse than watching extreme pornography."

Not just 'pornography' but "extreme pornography". Sounds like your 'COBE' is trying to minimize the seriousness of something by saying failing to report is 'worse'.