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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou in
1. watchtower
2. bible
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
Jeffro

slimboyfat:
According to the Bible the devil is “the father of lies”. It’s fair enough reading Genesis in different ways (many, including Christadelphains, see no devil there at all) but in terms of the Christian Bible’s own interpretation of itself, it is clear the devil was the first liar.
Sure, if we pretend the Bible is actually this homogeneous consistent thing rather than the reality that it is stories built on stories built on stories.
The snake in Genesis is derived from the snake in the Epic of Gilgamesh. There was no 'Satan the Devil' at the time Genesis was written (during the Neo-Babylonian period, but also definitely not if one wants to pretend it was written even earlier). Satan (as an individual rather than a generic concept) was borrowed from later Persian beliefs.
It hardly matters that Christians later decided that their stories represent the Bible 'interpreting itself'.
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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou in
1. watchtower
2. bible
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
Jeffro

Sea Breeze:
The fruit is just a manifestation of the core issue
Yeah, that's why it was urgent that they be prevented from eating the fruit of the other magical tree (Genesis 3:22-24). 🙄
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August issue is now up on JW.com
by ozziepost in
1. jw
2. experiences
just a heads up that the english version with the changed cover is now up on jw.com.. i haven’t yet read it but if any you have the time i’m looking forward to people’s insights.. in the meantime i must find a red 🍷.

cheers,.

ozzie (of the ‘is he still here?’ class ).
Jeffro

Lots of word games in the articles. In addition to the obvious semantic nonsense about what they call their ‘shunning’, there is also a conspicuous reference to a supposed ‘personal decision’ about ‘marking’ where the ‘decision’ has already been stipulated:
if we notice a fellow Christian who shows such a disobedient spirit, we will make a personal decision not to associate with him for social occasions or recreation
Notice how it’s not a personal decision about whether or not the person will continue to associate, but the ‘decision’ is to not associate. This nonsense is akin to the distinction that a person won’t be ~~disfellowshipped~~ removed for ‘accepting a blood transfusion’ but they’ve supposedly ‘disassociated by their actions’ anyway.
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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou in
1. watchtower
2. bible
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
Jeffro

🤦‍♂️
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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou in
1. watchtower
2. bible
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
Jeffro

It sure is funny (and quite pitiful) that there are people who believe that this unoriginal and nonsensical story is actually true. And the people who just accept that it’s all true with no evidence are generally the same people who expect ‘nonbelievers’ to explain complex scientific processes in detail in multiple fields. But they just make up trite excuses for primitive and obviously wrong folklore.
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Paul Gillies and JW Spellcasting July 2024
by FragrantAddendum in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
gillies is moving up quick.

wonder what kind of devilish acts he's done to get that job so fast.

hey, look!
Jeffro

It wasn’t the Pixar bit I was talking about
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Paul Gillies and JW Spellcasting July 2024
by FragrantAddendum in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
gillies is moving up quick.

wonder what kind of devilish acts he's done to get that job so fast.

hey, look!
Jeffro

hey, look! they put the "monster" logo in this time too!
Good grief. It’s just a reflection. 🤦‍♂️ If you imagine the two letter abbreviation of their denomination name is just so it can be used to represent this nonsense when reflected, you’ve instantly lost all credibility.
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Big News: August English Watchtower released on servers
by ukpimo in
1. watchtower
2. bible
big news.

just in from a friend who is fading.. disfellowshipping will no longer be a term used by jws.

study article 35, paragraph 4 footnote says this:.
Jeffro

slimboyfat:
I don’t see it on the website yet. What does it mean “released on servers”?
It means the Streisand effect has struck again 🤣
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Big News: August English Watchtower released on servers
by ukpimo in
1. watchtower
2. bible
big news.

just in from a friend who is fading.. disfellowshipping will no longer be a term used by jws.

study article 35, paragraph 4 footnote says this:.
Jeffro

Disfellowshipping will no longer be a term used by jws.
Semantic nonsense. Congregation members haven’t been informed whether a person is ‘disfellowshipped’ or ‘disassociated’ for about 30 years anyway, or why. They just announce that the person is “no longer one of Jehovah’s witnesses”.
Will governments such as that of Norway actually be fooled by this weak chicanery?
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Have Witnesses made more false prophecies then any other religion??
by Witness 007 in
1. watchtower
2. bible
armagedon in 1914 rutherford 1925 1940's the fascist catholic take over franz 1975 and 2000 the 1914 generation will not die.

now the generation that new the generation....this must break a world record of false prophecies in any religion..
Jeffro

The Watchtower, 1 May 2014, page 3:
Doomsday prophet Harold Camping and his disciples widely advertised that the earth would be destroyed in 2011. Needless to say, the world is still here.
The irony. 😂