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  God or Satan?

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the theme of my recent comment in another thread demonstrated how in some circles the 'word/logos' had become understood to be implied within ot texts that mention an angel or destroyer (in the case of ex 12).

  the comment got no response so i'll repost it now as a springboard for a further observation:.

  here's another example of the extreme personification of the logos/word from the wisdom of solomon (approx.

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  Jeffro

  The "Destroyer" and "LOGOS" are one-in-the-same, according to Jewish theology.

  The thing is, though, that this view of the ‘logos’ is necessarily and inexorably through the lens of Greek influence.
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  God or Satan?

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the theme of my recent comment in another thread demonstrated how in some circles the 'word/logos' had become understood to be implied within ot texts that mention an angel or destroyer (in the case of ex 12).

  the comment got no response so i'll repost it now as a springboard for a further observation:.

  here's another example of the extreme personification of the logos/word from the wisdom of solomon (approx.

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  Jeffro

  If John was not the author of his book, where is the testimony of the early church pastors claiming fraud? In fact, , they claimed John was the author:

  🤦‍♂️ For much the same reason that the authenticity of Hebrews was in question for many years before being complicity accepted as a ‘genuine’ work of Paul. They teach ‘traditions of men’ as ‘doctrine’.
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  God or Satan?

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the theme of my recent comment in another thread demonstrated how in some circles the 'word/logos' had become understood to be implied within ot texts that mention an angel or destroyer (in the case of ex 12).

  the comment got no response so i'll repost it now as a springboard for a further observation:.

  here's another example of the extreme personification of the logos/word from the wisdom of solomon (approx.

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  Jeffro

  All of these things were denied by "experts" at one ime or another.
  Roundness of the earth
  The earth floating in space
  conservation of energy - Eccl, 3: 14
  "Cords" of Pleiades and Orion (gravitationally bound star groups) Eccl 1: 9
  Uncountable number of stars
  You can count the visible stars, around 10,000. But you don't live long enough to count the trillions of stars that we now know are there.
  Expansion of the universe
  God stretches out the heavens - (present tense)

  Those are tedious cherry picked ad hoc reinterpretations rather than any kind of demonstration of knowledge at the time of writing.
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  God or Satan?

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the theme of my recent comment in another thread demonstrated how in some circles the 'word/logos' had become understood to be implied within ot texts that mention an angel or destroyer (in the case of ex 12).

  the comment got no response so i'll repost it now as a springboard for a further observation:.

  here's another example of the extreme personification of the logos/word from the wisdom of solomon (approx.

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  Jeffro

  I dismiss the idea that ‘Jesus was Satan’ as nonsense because ‘satan’ was only a generic concept of ‘an opposer’ in Judaism and ‘the devil’ is a fictional character introduced into Judaism and Christianity from the Persians.

  As for your simplistic belief that the gospels aren’t anonymous, you’re at odds with mainstream scholarship (including Christian scholarship) so i don’t care. Authorship of ‘John’ wasn’t attributed to him until the late 2nd century.
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  God or Satan?

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the theme of my recent comment in another thread demonstrated how in some circles the 'word/logos' had become understood to be implied within ot texts that mention an angel or destroyer (in the case of ex 12).

  the comment got no response so i'll repost it now as a springboard for a further observation:.

  here's another example of the extreme personification of the logos/word from the wisdom of solomon (approx.

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  Jeffro

  You do know that the gospels are actually anonymous and the supposed authors including ‘John’ are only traditional attributions after the fact, don’t you?
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  God or Satan?

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the theme of my recent comment in another thread demonstrated how in some circles the 'word/logos' had become understood to be implied within ot texts that mention an angel or destroyer (in the case of ex 12).

  the comment got no response so i'll repost it now as a springboard for a further observation:.

  here's another example of the extreme personification of the logos/word from the wisdom of solomon (approx.

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  Jeffro

  the book was written by a Jewish scholar familiar with Greek culture

  So was John, evident from the Logos theology present in the opening verse.
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  Would You Get A Cease and Desist Letter From the WT if You...

  by NotFormer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ...put a christmas wreath that featured the jw.org logo on your door?

  🤔.

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  Jeffro

  If anything it might be trademark infringement rather than copyright infringement but unlikely to be enforced in a non-commercial private residence. In any case it would be more straightforward to make an obvious parody that is sufficiently similar to make the point.
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  Revising History

  by no-zombie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while i'm aware of wt books being revised without noting the differences on newer editions (the truth book is a classic example of this) ... is there evidence of the writing committee revising the online versions of wt articles, as compared to the printed editions?.

  if there is a previous thread on this topic, just link it ... as these is no need to reinvent the wheel.. thanks.

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  Jeffro

  The Watchtower—Public Edition, No. 2, 2021, page 7:

  In three years, the COVID-19 pandemic resulted in some 6.9 million deaths worldwide.

  Not certain what the print version actually said, but this doesn't math.

  (It would reasonably have been some time in 2023. The download page for the PDF says it was last modified on 20 December 2023. However, many of their online PDFs have that same last-modified date without changing any of the actual content, suggesting some unrelated technical change at that time. So it can't be determined exactly how or when the statement about the pandemic was modified unless someone has the original or intermediate versions.)
  
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  EMERGENCY ALERT!! UKRAINE LAUNCHES MORE NATO MISSILES INTO RUSSIA . . . WORLD WAR III IS HERE!!!

  by Littleleslie in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  emergency alert!!

  ukraine launches more nato missiles into russia .

  world war iii is here!!!

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  Jeffro

  Because obscure YouTube channels are always the best sources of information. 🤦‍♂️
  
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  Shunning--newest directive

  by stan livedeath in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so just what is the latest directive on shunning?.

  asking for a family member.

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  Jeffro

  Notformer:

  You got me thinking. Did the WT coin the term themselves?

  No. The term 'disfellowship' was first used as a verb in the 1830s. The term is used by various minor Protestant groups (which is what JWs are at their core), though the specific application of the term varies. For example, Christadelphians also practice what they call 'disfellowshipping', but it generally involves exclusion from their church services but not strictly mandated social shunning.