hi everyone,.
i'm researching 587 vs 607 for the date of the destruction of jerusalem... i'm not doing the research to prove or disprove anything about 1914, rather i'm looking at these dates in comparison to 1948 & 1967.. what is your view on relying on the cyrus cylinder, to accept 607 as the correct date of destruction... i know that there are many other factors.. but i'm trying to keep this portion of my research as simple as possible, so i'm primarily interested in the appropriateness of using the cylinders date of 537 + 70 = 607. one other question.. is it likely that both dates 587 & 607 have their own significance?.
AnnOMaly:
Dan. 11:36 onward is understood to refer to the distant future.
Only by irrational people.
Right up to verse 45 is in relation to Antiochus IV Epiphanes.
I have posted more detail about this in the past. Once I find it, I'll provide a link. But I fear it was on the defunct JW Support forum.
after knowing ttatt for many years now...i had made up my mind long ago that after 2014, i would no-longer subject myself to the boredom, pain, and frustration of following this cult...the wt...the borg.. so...i made up my mind that since the wtbts/gb makes such a big deal as to the "significance" of the year 1914 and this year 2014, there can be no greater time for me to leave it all behind.
i daydreamed of how awesome and telling it would be if everyone that could ( because i do know that some have personal circumstances of their own, as i did too) would just .... walkout...never to attend/step foot in a kingdom hall from that moment on.. independence day of sorts?
there is too much evidence, too many videos, blogs, books, news reports and lawsuits for me to keep lying to myself.
RagingBull:
JANUARY 1st, 2015
October 1, 1914 would be more in line with JW magical thinking.
There was some low-grade Watch Tower Society paper in my mailbox a few days ago. I guess it was probably a Memorial invitation. Didn't read it.
the speaker at the memorial tonight stated straight up that the 144,000 is a literal number as we will stop celebrating the memorial when jesus 'arrives' and takes the few remnant with him.
how can the society change the 144,000 to figurative without blowing themselves out of the water?.
144000 Literal or Figurative?
No. And no. It's imaginary.
How can the society change the 144,000 to figurative without blowing themselves out of the water?
They won't (or at least, they don't need to). They already claim that 'partakers' may be suffering from "mental or emotional imbalance", so (as usual), they see no need for any rational explanation.
i just learned this information the past couple of days but it seems it's been out the past couple of years.
many many articles about some asteroid/meteor event about 13,000 years ago.
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-03/space-rock-impact-could-have-caused-ancient-cooldown-new-evidence-says.
EndOfMysteries:
The great flood happened about 13,000 years ago....
No. It didn't. There is no reason at all to attempt to correlate any potentially remotely (very remotely) similar event to the bronze age 'Noah' myth.
as mentioned in july 15th 2013 watchtower "the apostasy started in the first century and flourished by the fourth century" or words to that effect.. as i was reading ff bruce's "the bible canon" ($14 kindle ver.
on amazon) i was very surprised to read that there are no original nt documents from the first century, just copies of copies of copies of many documents from that period.
apparently the 27 book nt canon was not set until about the fourth century by trinitarian church fathers.
It's a perfectly valid question, and one for which the Watch Tower Society will never provide an answer (beyond something stupid like 'Jehovah did a magic thing to protect it').
jw's often say they don't serve with any dates in mind.
but the fact is many of them can't fathom why the end just hasn't come yet.
since 2014 marks 100 years of invisible rule many witnesses can't help but think this has some special meaning.
A.proclaimer:
If something big happens in 2014, whether it's a big political shift or some big catastrophe like 9/11, JWs will see it as a sign and increase their motivation in work.
'Something' happens every year. Anything can be twisted by deluded minds into supposedly having some 'higher meaning'. And their fallback will be that 'something' happened 'invisibly'.
being a jw is amazing!
who agrees with me??.
the jw is a protection from the world.
FL_Panthers:
the JW is a protection from the world.
Apparently FL_Panthers doesn't realise that JWs live in the same world as everyone else. They are members of a quite unremarkable minor religion that is quite similar to various other unremarkable minor religions, and their quality of life is the same as that of other people in the areas in which they live. Watch Tower Society literature attempts to contrast the 'JW lifestyle' with that of the worst elements of society to create a perception of disparity, whereas most people in general society are at least as happy and healthy as JWs, and are more likely to have a better education than JWs as well.
hi everyone, i was discussing with a family member recently and was encouraged to at least consider the benefits of being raised in the truth.
for example,i'm not a drunk, don't do drugs, respect others etc.
the point is i've found lots of nonwitness friends who have similar behavior.. growing up, when a worldly person does something good like help someone i'll hear things like "that's nice of him, for a nonwitness.
speargrass55:
Growing up, when a worldly person does something good like help someone I'll hear things like "That's nice of him, for a nonwitness. " I even remember seeing someone on another thread using the expression dog-eat-dog to refer to the world outside. It's like if you're a nonwitness you have to be a thief, cheat, etc.
That's certainly what the Watch Tower Society wants JWs to think. And to that end, they'll focus on bad things that happen and paint all 'worldly' people with that brush. By far the majority of people in the world are peaceful law abiding citizens. And to the extent that there are 'worldly' people who will do whatever they can get away with, it's exactly the same among JWs.
as usual, i was unprepared for a "drop-in" visit by a jw.
they seem to have a knack for coming when you're in the middle of something, or your house is a complete disaster... for me, both things are almost always true.
it's better if you call me and warn me before you come over.
She came back with, "If you want to know the truth about someone, what do you do? If I want to know more about you and how you run your house or take care of your kids, do I ask you personally, or do I go run around and see what your neighbors say about you?"
If a stranger wants to look after your small children, who do you ask to find out the truth about him? By 'Watch Tower Logic', you should ask him about his 'reputation'. Pay no attention to those pesky 'victims' or 'news reports' about him being pedophile.
Sigh.
