Posts by Jeffro

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Was Hell Consistently Taught from Genesis to Revelation?

by Sea Breeze in

some sources cite that the word or concept of hell appears 167 times in the old and new testament.

jesus spoke about hell more than anyone else.

how can such consistent warnings by many different writers over 1600 years all be parables?

Jeffro

Sea Breeze:

How can such consistent warnings by many different writers over 1600 years all be parables?

Your fallacy: begging the question. There is no ‘consistent warning’ about hell throughout the Bible. Later interpretations were retroactively applied to the older texts. Additionally, later authors had access to the older texts. As such, your argument is neither accurate nor remarkable. (And it wasn’t over a period of 1,600 years. Some parts could have been written around the 10th century BCE, but the stories traditionally attributed to Moses were mostly written in the 6th and 5th centuries BCE.)

Jesus spoke about Hell more than anyone else.

There is no way of verifying that Jesus said anything attributed to him in texts written decades after his death.

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BABYLON THE GREAT IS NOT FALLING ANYMORE? (NEW LIGHT FROM THE ANNUAL MEETING)

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/rsbfa_7lqv4?si=muuxmgtll1n1ifad.

the watchtower’s babylon the great: a shrinking reality?.

so this latest annual meeting introduced a new idea about babylon the great, and here is the part from geoffrey jackson's talk we real need to dig in and consider it's ramifications..... so you’ve got to hand it to them; they know how to keep things interesting with their ever-evolving interpretations and, of course, those classic "adjustments" in understanding.

Jeffro

As is often the case, the change announced at the annual meeting is being made to be a bigger deal than it actually is.

The change introduced at the annual meeting was that the 'one thought' (Revelation 17:13) is now considered to refer to the 'nations' giving their authority to the UN rather than to destroy 'false religion'.

But the JW position that the UN, once it has been given authority in the imaginary scenario, will then 'turn against false religion' has not actually changed.

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

🤦‍♂️

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Proof of two destinies for believers in the Bible, heavenly and earthly

by slimboyfat in

the jw idea that believers are destined either for heavenly life or for endless life on earth comes in for significant criticism by critics of various kinds.

even some groups, such as the christadelphians, who share belief in a future paradise earth, don’t share the view that some christians are destined for life in heaven.

yet there is surprisingly quite a lot of evidence in the bible for the existence of two distinct groups of believers.

Jeffro

John spoke figuratively a lot. "In the beginning was the Word." Jesus is not literally a "word" just like he is not literally "light." John speaks figuratively.

🤦‍♂️ Calling Jesus ‘the word’ (Logos) was directly ripping off a Stoic branch of Greek philosophy. It’s just another pagan concept integrated into Christianity, like their beliefs about the Devil (Persian) and the garden of Eden (Babylonian).

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

If you don't believe in Him, then why do you spend so much time talking about Him?

That tedious line was literally one of the trite example shown in the video, ‘Theresa’. 🤦‍♂️🤣

You feeling rejected?

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

Jehovah mentioned Jesus in the Genesis 3:15 prophecy.
That was at the beginning of human history.

No part of that is true.

Making up theories and fairy tales doesn't negate reality.

🤣🤣😂🤣😂 see above

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

There’s that tedious word ‘opposers’, which fits into that same ‘rejection’ motivation. 🙄

And people obviously haven’t been talking about Jesus “since the beginning of human history”. 🤦‍♂️

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How did JWs arrive at a clearer understanding of what the Bible teaches than other Christian denominations?

by slimboyfat in

for jws who believe that jehovah had a hand in reviving the truth in the nineteenth century this is enough explanation for how jws managed to achieve a closer approximation to early christian beliefs and practices than other groups.

but is there an explanation for this phenomenon that doesn’t rely on supernatural intervention?

new testament scholar james dunn explains the difficulty of interpreting the biblical texts in this way:.

Jeffro

How did JWs arrive at a clearer understanding of what the Bible teaches than other Christian denominations?

They didn’t.

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Proof of two destinies for believers in the Bible, heavenly and earthly

by slimboyfat in

the jw idea that believers are destined either for heavenly life or for endless life on earth comes in for significant criticism by critics of various kinds.

even some groups, such as the christadelphians, who share belief in a future paradise earth, don’t share the view that some christians are destined for life in heaven.

yet there is surprisingly quite a lot of evidence in the bible for the existence of two distinct groups of believers.

Jeffro

Yet there is surprisingly quite a lot of evidence in the Bible for the existence of two distinct groups of believers. This is especially evident in the book of Revelation, which makes sense if JWs are correct that this prophetic book projects forward to the period when the second group of believers with an earthly destiny is to be gathered.

As far as ‘believers’ go, JWs couldn’t have it more wrong anyway. Revelation indicates a great crowd in heaven that rules as kings and priests for a thousand years and 144,000 ruling as kings forever from New Jerusalem on earth.

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Proof of two destinies for believers in the Bible, heavenly and earthly

by slimboyfat in

the jw idea that believers are destined either for heavenly life or for endless life on earth comes in for significant criticism by critics of various kinds.

even some groups, such as the christadelphians, who share belief in a future paradise earth, don’t share the view that some christians are destined for life in heaven.

yet there is surprisingly quite a lot of evidence in the bible for the existence of two distinct groups of believers.

Jeffro

Tacking on ‘for believers’ doesn’t actually justify calling any of it ‘proof’.