Lets not forget that PEOPLE DO CHANGE! Perhaps what he did to you years before was painfull. Memories fade, but cannot be forgotten. Yet the future can alter our past. Maybe your father wants a relationship, perhaps he realizes his folly and wants to make amends, yet he is apprehensive and his e-mail, though poorly worded, was an attempt to make amends. It really depends what you want in life. In my own case, though I was pressured by the cult, I cut off all ties while growing up with my grandfather (disfellowshipped for chewing tobacco). He died several years later, and only after I broke free from religion did I think about what I had done, and still to this day I cannot forgive myself. I thought I was doing the right thing, now I realized I did what others wanted me to do. Most importantly I lost time and can NEVER get those years back. The situation is different than yours, but once a person passes this world, the love or hate we had for that individual no longer matters. If you think it is in your best interest, perhaps you could email him back and remind him of what he had done, better yet, if you can allow the past to be just that - the past, you can focus on the future and try to smooth things over. Good or bad, I'm sure your father provided for you while growing up. Sometimes, people don't treat others the way they should, either because they don't know how or they think what they are doing is correct. HTH
Posts by sinis
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44my "father" decided to send me an email!
by theinfamousone inbefore we even begin, if you have not read my story, you may not understand why this is such a big deal to me... this is a part of my story and it can be found at: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/101870/1.ashx.
and here we go... my "father", an abusive bastard of a jw, recently sent me an email that put me in a tizzy!
it was late friday night, i had just gotten home from a shift at a local bar where i bartend on occasion!
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Attention former elders and ms: I have a question.
by R.F. ini'm currently a ministerial servant and pioneer in my congregation.
i want to begin my fade soon.
i'm going to get off the pioneer list first instead of quitting both positions at once, hopefully to ease potential gossip.
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sinis
I was an RP and MS, on my way to Elder hood Anyway, my suggestion is take one task at a time. I started to slack in field service so that I was not making my time on a monthly basis. Here is where it can work for you. If you have a job with odd hours or if you are the only one pioneering (or if sisters are pioneering) you can do a few things - job is interfering with field service -> low hours, only one pioneering ->low hours, no brothers pioneering - only sisters -> you don't feel comfortable working in service with sisters only -> low hours. I used the fact that I was the only person pioneering and then when a sister joined the ranks I told the elders I did not feel comfortable working alone with her in field service. So after getting 15-20 hours under everymonth for around 5 months in a row, the service overseer told me that I was low, offered no help and I basically said I quit! He told me not to, but I put a letter in writing and quit.
Now came the MS part. After a few months, and even before, but more now, they kept dumping shit on me like impromptus, etc. Eventually, I told them I could not handle anymore as I was burnt out. So what did they do? They pretty much went the other way and never put me on the school (I enjoyed that). After a few months of that I wrote a letter to the body of elders AND the society (this is key) and told them that I no longer wanted to be a MS due to the stress that it was adding to my life. They met with me and tried to talk me out of it, but I said I was going to have a nervous breakdown. Couple months later I showed up at a cong, where VERY few people knew me. My cards got transferred. Two months their and I went to another hall about half a dozen times, first night, at this third hall I met the elder in charge of cards and said I was coming to his hall now, he said he would put in for a xfer. Showed up maybe 6 more times and never went back. No one has called me at all. Basically I'm three halls removed and the third hall had no fucking clue who I was.
Oh, start to cancel your talks about once every two weeks, and then get more progressive once you have stopped pioneering.
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Tax Payers' Money: How Would You Change the Way It Is SPENT?
by YoursChelbie inmost people in the us, i think, tend to to be in a general consensus that the war in iraq is a big waste of tax payers money.. if you think it is, what are other ways you feel the government is wasting tax payers money?.
are there some services which should be allocated a greater share of tax payers money?.
heres my answer:.
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sinis
No, government only has ONE obligation and that is the security of its citizens. Welfare, education, and other entitlement programs are not the responsibilty of Federal Government. If the states want to provide it, fine. Otherwise it should be the responsibility of private sector or organizations.
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REALLY NEED SOME HELP HERE!
by sinis injust to reiterate, i have not been to a meeting in years, and have no intention of going back.
my wife on the other hand is a "cold"/"lukewarm" jdub.
i really like it that way as she is not "strong" and misses a lot of meetings.
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I think she very well might feel pressured and annoyed by them now.
The only thing you can do is to plan cool stuff for you two to do while she would be going to a meeting/service/study.
Something that helped my ex-husband get me out (he's an ex for un-jw related reasons) was to ask questions like, "Ya know, I really don't understand why they make everyone dress up like that. It seems to me that it would make new ones feel intimidated. And the people you meet in the field ministry probably don't think you are as approachable like that. In fact when I was in the bank the other day, they were dressed a lot more casual than that too."
Or "I think (insert name of non-jw here) is the nicest person I've ever met. I hear they go to (insert the name of their church here)"
or give advice contrary to what a typical JW would do but that really makes sense. For example: Sister "in everyone's business" gossips a lot. She says, "I think she's bad association. I'm not going to say another word to her." And you say, "I thought Jesus said that you should love one another. Maybe you should try a more considerate kind approach."
Just challenge her way of thinking.
I don't think those questions will fly as I used to be a regular pioneer, MS (on the path to elder), come from a family (not JW's anymore) that was very well known in the circuit, etc. She would know that I was playing dumb or trying to suck her into an "argument" as she likes to say. The fact that her dad died about a year ago has not helped. She keeps hoping to see him in da' paradise, and the asshole JW's at her meeting (when she goes) keep playing this card.
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REALLY NEED SOME HELP HERE!
by sinis injust to reiterate, i have not been to a meeting in years, and have no intention of going back.
my wife on the other hand is a "cold"/"lukewarm" jdub.
i really like it that way as she is not "strong" and misses a lot of meetings.
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BB59:
I don't know if I would go as far as saying soul mates, shit I don't even know if that for real in todays world I do love her and she loves me. Its just a matter of this fucking religion capturing her mind and thinking for her. I've shown her how its complete bullshit, but for some reason she can't come to grips and break free. As of late she has not attended a meeting and is very irregular. I have no problems with that, and in fact on meeting nights I always bring up how I was thinking of doing XXXXX (insert something fun and entertaining). At first she says I have a meeting, and I'm like wow, too bad, maybe I'll invite your sister and brother in law (I got them out of the JW's). Then she goes along with what the plans are but she always later mentions how she feels guilty about missing a meeting, which I fire back that you are living life. So really its a tug of war with her, and I'm hoping she wins, not the religion. This latest development only throws a wrench in the works!!!!!
They are nice people but they have swallowed the bullshit hook line and sinker! Just when I thought I was F*CKING winning!!!!
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REALLY NEED SOME HELP HERE!
by sinis injust to reiterate, i have not been to a meeting in years, and have no intention of going back.
my wife on the other hand is a "cold"/"lukewarm" jdub.
i really like it that way as she is not "strong" and misses a lot of meetings.
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sinis
Just to reiterate, I have not been to a meeting in years, and have no intention of going back. My wife on the other hand is a "cold"/"lukewarm" jdub. I really like it that way as she is not "strong" and misses a lot of meetings. We have agreed that I will not talk bad about religion, or keep her from meetings and that she will stop mentioning things like jehovahs name and "truth" in the house. Well she gets a call from a long time friend - actual woman who brought her into this god forsaken religion (her friend is older and is a nice woman, along with her husband). Anyway, they are moving back to our city and my wife mentioned that they will be STUDYING with her to strengthen her spiritually. THIS IS THE LAST F*CKING THING THAT I WANTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any suggestions on how to nip this in the bud? I know my wife will study, probably even more fervently, if I attempt to tell her no. Maybe doing more to occupy her time, and thus she can't make the study? Really need help here as our marriage was rocky at first with me leaving da' troof and now we have a mutual agreement, and it has actually been better with her being weak in da' troof - but now I can only see things getting worse as they subconsciously plant a we - them mentallity back in her mind - which can only lead to rifts. Should I flat out call these people and tell them that they will not study with my wife and not to mention our conversation? Thoughts? Thanks!!
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My Update
by R.F. inhello all.. as some of you know recently i've realized the importance of really examining the jws yet i'm still a part of it(ms, reg pioneer).
well i have as of late put alot more time into bible reading(with different translation) with a more open mind without the watchtower blinders and it has been very refreshing to me.
the more i read about first century christianity and the message they preached the more i realize just how off the the wt really is.
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sinis
Hello all.
As some of you know recently i've realized the importance of really examining the JWs yet i'm still a part of it(MS, reg pioneer). Well I have as of late put alot more time into bible reading(with different translation) with a more open mind without the Watchtower blinders and it has been very refreshing to me. The more I read about first century Christianity and the message they preached the more I realize just how off the the WT really is. I haven't felt this great in a long time! However I still need to talk to my fiancee about my doubts and I don't think our relationship will look too good after that. Recently she said that she will always love me, but if I "quit serving Jehovah" that she couldn't continue our relationship.
Well either way I'll keep you posted.
I applaud you for looking at different sources. I would encourage you to look at sources outside of the "bible" realm. Especially concerning first century christians and its establishment. Christanity is not what you think, nor does history paint a favorable picture. Free your mind...
Don't tie your life up with the JW's for a woman! It is not worth it and you will eventually regret your decision. Since you have doubts now, they will eventually fester and your relationship, though some do make it, will more than likely end in misery.
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Incredibly aggressive email I received from a JW
by jwfacts ini put the following comment on answers.yahoo.com about changes to watchtower revelation doctrine.
there have been three different versions of god given light in the watchtower publications so far;.
1. calvin studies in the scriptures series vii- the finished mystery p.151 "calvin is entitled to the honor of having at one time been a papal star .... is called wormwood.
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sinis
JW facts. Unfortunately, if your own religious beliefs encompass pagan beliefs such as Christmas, birthdays, homosexuality, Valentines day or such doctrines as the Trinity, Jesus is God or Faith alone- no works needed, then your complaints about the JWs carries no weight and is considered void. Sure, the JW who wrote you was quite passionate but he or she should not have predetermined your destination. That was wrong of him or her to say that. Secondly, what he or she told you was an 'opinion' and that was wrong.
She or he isn't supposed to do that. They are supposed to quote scriptures and say "what the scriptures say- not what "they" say.
Ultimately, it is God's decision where you end up. The JWs job is to just preach door to door about their testimony about Jehovah and what it can mean to you. Some don't do this, but instead, drag their heels door to door, not giving a dam about the other person's beliefs or interests. Some have the "so you wanna join or what!?" or "this isn't easy for us- here we are going to door to door and aren't getting paid for it." Alot of them ignore the "go and be perfect" instructions that are mentioned more than once in the Bible and use the "nobodys perfect" teaching to be flexible in making mistakes, being rude and obnoxious and the like. They cannot be opinionated and say where you are going to end up. But I guess that brings us back to the "we're human" aspect which I got kind of sick of hearing from some of them. I actually got glares from some of them when I said "Don't use that as an excuse to sin." That's another story.
Anyhow, they are to simply "go unto all nations" and preach. No other religion can come as close to the JWs when it comes to this preaching ratio. I've been in some churches like the Seventh day Adventists and Mormons where either they sit in church and "let God bring the seeker to them" (not Biblically sound) or to "pick and choose" which door to knock on (disorganized and not Biblically sound). The Bible says "Go unto all nations" (Matt 28: 19). No offence, but I too don't listen to people that knock my faith, even if I haven't been there for two years, it doesn't matter. If I see that their faith reflects doctrines of Paganism in anyway, shape or form, the arguement is void and carries no weight. To them, it would be like listening to a murderer give his philosophy about why people shouldn't kill, yet he himself is a killer. This isn't you but I'm just saying.
NIRYA...and that makes them gods only channel? I take it you don't wear rings, wear ties, enjoyed a marriage ceremony, hang wind chimes, wear makeup, and the list goes on... after all those practices are ALL pagan, hell everything we have or do today has ROOTS in pagan practices.
Oh, and here' s a tidbit, Jesus never existed and Jehovah is a Canaanite sky/thunder god that the jews ripped off after invading their lands (jews used to be polytheistic until the YHWH cult took over, at which time they went monotheistic.
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Would you really want to live forever
by darth frosty ini just finished reading this book called the alchemist.
it is a very compelling story about following your dreams.
what i found most intriguing about the book is the depth of spirituality it brought out in me.
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sinis
If it was a world where EVERYONE followed the Golden Rule, then yes I would like to live forever. Not a fairy tale, walt disney, JW world, but a world where people work together, and respect each other no matter what. As far as getting bored, I really don't think so. Is there a limit to knowledge? No. What we have now, and what schools teach are the summation of all human knowledge, and yet there is still a vast sea ahead of us that is uncharted...
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How much of a man are you? Problems with rats, I just can't do it
by needproof inlast summer, i noticed a rat living underneath my shed in the back garden.
i tried my hardest to convince my female counterpart that we had a rat living with us, but as usual was met with a wall of silence.
so time passed and i didn't see rodney the rat again, so i just figured that he had gone away some place else.
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sinis
They may be pests but you don't have to poison them. Alternative methods such as ultrasound, oils, strategic plant usage, etc. can repel pests, with no loss of life. I'm far from a tree hugger, but why do humans always equate death with pests (either animals or other humans)?