Posts by jimakazi

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cant i still be with her? just like her parents are?

by Cimoo in

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my girfriend and i have been together for a year and a half.

and shes a jw, and im not.

she didnt tell me that she was a jw till 1 year of being with her.

jimakazi

I was an active [although no longer committed JW] when I met my WORLDLY wife to be. I came under intesnse pressure that she should either became a JW or I should break off my engagement. I refused so we had a civil wedding [she's Catholic and I wasn't going to convert that way] and stopped going to any JW meeting etc [the big fade]. My Dad was reprimanded fro attending our wedding so that pretty much finsihed it for me. 18 years later my parents still don't really accept I'm nop longer one of them, and I have to regularly remind them to not preach to my wife, me, or our kids. However I don't want to be a witness so this works OK - their is tension at time though - no Nana and gradpa at birthdays, xmas etc.

If your girlfirend can accept there is a life beyound the JW's [and if she is at all open minded checking out some of the facts on JWfacts.com may assist make her mind up] then it may be worth keeping the relationship going.

However if she wants back in then you may be best to look elsewhere. They may demand she no longer associate with you to prove she has changed her eveil ways, and if you were to marry her 1st, and she went back it would be easier but you would always be the "opposed husband" - JW speak for a non JW husband. Also if and when you had kids there would be further tension and issues, do you want them brought up as JW's, she would have to raise them as JW's in spite of any wishes, you, the opposed husband may have. This could even be grounds for a separation if you insisted they were not to attend meeting, preach door to door etc.

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We are NOT appostate

by jimakazi in

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friends

not to rain on the collective parade but what makes people here think they are appostate?

most of us have come to a rational conclusion that the jw / wtb is directed by a bunch of old men not directed by the holy spirit, is fallable, and cynically changes doctrine.

so to be against that is not to be appostate.

jimakazi

Jim:

There's a flaw in your analogy. The ones who actually sat the test fail, and those who never attended pass - if we're gonna screw something up, let's do it completely, huh?

huh?
Friday group, weekend group, monday group.
1st group fail [i.e. they didn't sit the exam] - they came on the wrong day
Weekend group come on the right days sit and pass [well some probably fail]
The last group [thinking it was Monday] fail as they cannot sit the exam.

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Now that you are out, do you have a WANDERING EYE?

by zagor in

after many years of repression do you now find hard to restrain you natural feelings?

it doesnt have to be wrong as one cousin told me, you admire beauty of the sunset, the song of birds; you appreciate exotic meal and equally you can now more appreciate the natural beauty of opposite sex.

reason why im asking is because today ive met a dub from my former congdubgration who immediately assumed i was "immoral".

jimakazi

My wife appreciates men with nice bodies, I appreciate women with nice bodies, including hers.

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"And war broke out in heaven" - Why and how?

by truthseeker in

i don't know if anyone has brought up the subject of "the war in heaven" before, but i have a few questions.

maybe leolaia could help out with this one.

revelation 12 talks about a war in heaven - now this is not just any war.

jimakazi

What gets me is why earth had to be the demons final destination. I mean, why? God knew what would happen were we to have aliens on this planet, invisible, dangerous and predatory. Why not send them to Mars, or Saturn or another galaxy?

Well this was to stack the deck so to speak - I mean HE had to prove man couldn't make it on his one with HIM.

Why? pride I guess - you no one of those things we are not supposed to have, "if I say you are going to fail you ignorant little humans you are freaking going to fail even if if i have to throw satan down there to make it happen.

And repeat after me "God loved us so much that he sent.... SATAN and his horde of demons" Loving dude isn't he, just as well he doesn't hate us. make me shudder what he might do - cook us in hell or wipe out 99.9% of us at armagedon. Hang on fry or dies is what we are ment to beleive he will do!

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What is you (or somebodies) best blooper in the KH?

by DannyBloem in

for example: we had a 'faithfull' brother getting older and confused.

when something did not really went as he liked it (didn't get the answer etc) he shouted very loudly 'god doom me in the hell!

one time i had to do the closing prayer on the midweek meeting.

jimakazi

Not a booper - it was delberate. It was the 80's - I did my part on the ministry school wearing white shoes, blue green pants, and a white miami vice styled shirt, AND had a beard. They suggested next time i may have time to dress before the meeting.

had the beard for a couple of years though - didn't make MS till I shaved it off. It showed a rebellous spirit. if only they could see me now!

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Fear of God

by Satanus in

the beginning of wisdom?

or, a sign of ignorance?.

first of all, the standard christian and jw definition changes the meaning of fear to respect, like a person respects the power of gravity.

jimakazi

JW's talk about love of Jehovah, but at the end of the days it's all about "fear" coz he can swot you like a bug, and apprently at Armagedon intended to do that unless you have put in 10 hours that month, been baptised as a JW, havn't thought about Sister smith with desire, havn't logged into the WWW and checked out jwfacts.com, or 100 other things, you prabably will be saved.

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Will the W.T. teach my daughter that it is okay to lie to worldly people?

by hubert in

my daughter never liked to lie, and always tried very hard not to.

in fact, she really hates anything to do with lying.. so, i'm wondering if when she gets baptized, will she be told by the elders that it's okay to lie to worldly nonbelievers for any particular reasons?

i think this would make her start thinking that something is wrong with this picture.. what do you think?.

jimakazi

Hi Richie

I started to type and the screen went back to the main posting page, I went back in and lo I had been fruitful - 2 empty posts. Perhaps there is a ghost in my machine - I'm certain it's not the holy spirit.

Anyway - yes - i want to get rid of the newbie tag - but not that way.

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Will the W.T. teach my daughter that it is okay to lie to worldly people?

by hubert in

my daughter never liked to lie, and always tried very hard not to.

in fact, she really hates anything to do with lying.. so, i'm wondering if when she gets baptized, will she be told by the elders that it's okay to lie to worldly nonbelievers for any particular reasons?

i think this would make her start thinking that something is wrong with this picture.. what do you think?.

jimakazi

Check out http://www.jwfacts.com There are some things there that may open her eyes - and if she hasn't been baptised yet get in quick. I don't know that the rank and files JW's would know that they were lying, they are educated to accept everything the organisation says without question, to question is an expolsion offence.

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Will the W.T. teach my daughter that it is okay to lie to worldly people?

by hubert in

my daughter never liked to lie, and always tried very hard not to.

in fact, she really hates anything to do with lying.. so, i'm wondering if when she gets baptized, will she be told by the elders that it's okay to lie to worldly nonbelievers for any particular reasons?

i think this would make her start thinking that something is wrong with this picture.. what do you think?.

jimakazi

Sorry, unintentional double post. I'm an IT architect - how could this hapen to me!

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Apostasy - A Racist Movement?

by slimboyfat in

firpo carr argues that while many white apostates claim to highlight so-called 'racist' remarks and terminology in the watchtower literature, most such apostates are in fact white and have little real interest in black issues.

they are only interested in the issue in so far as they can use it to promote white anti-witness propaganda, whereas a high percentage of loyal witnesses are black.

i know that all the terms of my topic are debatable: apostacy is a witness term of derogation; apostates probably are mostly liberal and not racist (essentially); and they are not a 'movement' in any case.

jimakazi

Firpo Carr argues

Who the hell is Firpo Carr and why should we give a toss.

Your could argue the JW use of the term "apostate" is a derogertory term used by JW's to descriminate anyone who has left the JW's and doesn't agree with them. In many countries it's illegal to discriminate on the basis of religion isn't it?