Posts by zagor

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Have you ever tried/would you try hypnotherpy?

by highdose in

jw
friends

i know some people who swear by it.

and i know that according to the jw's its meant to be one of the ultimate wicked things to do but now that i've debunked most of what they taught me i''m starting to wonder.. .

so does anyone have experiance with this?

zagor

Hypnosis happens all the time. Every time you watch a commercial and feel the need to actually buy something stop for a moment and ask yourself why, how come 30 seconds ago you never had the same need? When watching a movie ask yourself why is it that your body and emotion react to what you are seeing there as if it were real. In fact, advanced sales people use conversational hypnosis where without trance you actually feel deep need to follow their suggestions. Ever stopped for a moment to ask yourself why? Google it mate. Ever had a phone call, a text, a letter or an email from a girlfriend who after a series of weird, out of character experiences started to blame you for everything and you felt that feeling 'ok that's it' what you maybe didn't realize that knowingly or by accident she just planted a post-hypnotic suggestion into your mind. She decided, for whatever reason, she didn't want to go any further with that relationship and now just programmed your mind to make a clean cut in confidence you would never come back. Heck it has been used by Holliwood so much that one would think people would already take a notice, but apparently not. (Does "how to lose a guy in 10 days" ring a bell? lol, or take any other similar movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVns_QUtTxA)

And now you are protesting you were never hypnotised. Actually you were. You took up the story somebody else created for you, you ran with it as if it was reality and the funny thing about our mind is that we often can't distinquish reality from misdirection of someone playing on biases, and stereotypes that are ALREADY ESTUBLISHED in our minds, already planted shell we say. In fact to top it all off, wtbs theocratic school teaches conversational hypnosis methods all the time. Heck, it took researching advanced Ninpo material and lots of observing to actually realize what had been used on me. What do you think avarage Joe or Jill know when they've been swept by hypnotic methods? It hardly gets noticed, in fact unless they had specialized training in related field most will say what they saw was absolute reality and it was their own will that made decison (yeah right), becaused it tickled something profound in us, our sub-conscious underpinnings.

But don't worry about therapy, all hypnosis does is reaching into your sub-conscious. If done by a doctor it will only reveal what's already there without planting anything. If want to know more at least read something form either Milton Erickson or maybe something from Stanislav Graf e.g psychology of the future. It just might reveal something very profound and also stop you from making bad decisions in future ;)

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Mental Illness with Jehovah's Witnesses

by Hope4Others in

this presentation goes over jerry bergman's research on mental illness with jehovah's witnesses.

this includes over 8 different research projects conducted by different doctors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urbxtvuat1g.

zagor

I've seen a lot of it in my own experiece with jws, so I'm not surprised

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Guys, are women hard to understand sometimes?

by asilentone in

zagor

can go as deep as circumstances require

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Will religon eventualy disapear?

by highdose in

obviously not in our life time, but i was thinking maybe in a centry from now perhaps?

once the people who were taught creation in school are gone and instead we have people who were taught evoultion instead?

when we have perhaps been able to travel further and deeper into space, will people ask where is god?.

zagor

Only if humans overnight become rational creatures. Thing is very few things about humans are rational. That is the failure of modern Economics that assumes we always make rational choices based on supply and demand. The truth is though slightly more complex than that.

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Guys, are women hard to understand sometimes?

by asilentone in

zagor

yup I'm a funny guy

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How Easy Would It Be to Disconnect From Your Online Life?

by daniel-p in

jw
friends

eh?.

how easy would it be for you to stop posting on internet forums, social networking sites, and other internet activities?

is it something you've ever thought of doing?

zagor

I don't think its that hard. But of course it all depends where one stands. There was a time when coming here or to other forums had its real importance. Over time though you grow out of it. Like my friend said the other day over a beer, when his marriage blew up he spent shitload of time online talking to people, visiting dating sites etc but when innitial shocked passed his old self returned and he stopped doing it.
Likewise, there was a time I could talk only to very specific kind of people who understood what I was going through at that particular time and if that meant they were manily online then that's where I spent my time. In case of ex-jw that is often the only way. But sooner or later you grow out of it and can leave it at the drop of a hat, just like anything else in life. The only thing that can keep one coming, in my opinion, is if they formed deep friendships along the way

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Guys, are women hard to understand sometimes?

by asilentone in

zagor

Women are social creatures and to most everything revolves around their social status. Being a guy though you want to know if she has something deeper about her or is it all really What-You-See-Is-What-You-Get. Understanding is a two way street and if you find yourself only trying to understand her than you are on a wrong road.

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Has Global Warming Reached The Tipping Point of No Return?

by frankiespeakin in

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friends

zagor

Personally I don't think we went that far that nature can't fix itself. Nature will always try to balance itself out eventually no matter what, even if it means melting both Antarctica and Greenland... BUT, confluence of too many different things are coming together now that can have disastrous consequences on OUR way of living. Just one of these things is our old economic model which is basically incompatible with any attempt we may have to remedy the situation.
We have built the entire civilization on trade and intrinsic need for consuming more and more of goods, more stuff, more everything. In fact, we measure our progress by how much we have, which is like pouring water into bottomless bucket, we will never stop and say "ok now I've got everything I need".
It is not only a fundamental characteristic of how people think, entire society is built around that so much so that we take it for granted, we see it as common sense, as the way things are. The trick with that is, once we see things as common sense we will always revert to it. Even if we try doing something else, something new, eventually the common sense prevails, unless we see immediate return on our investment of time and effort we won't abandon old ways, which ironically is a phrase that comes from the Economy, testifying further just how much such thinking is part of our psyche.

The thing is, we don't know any other way forward. The only thing we can think of is to use less polluting methods in manufacture of more and more goods. And maybe that is the way things should be, after all, there has never been a civilization that has not eventually collapsed and failed, in fact we are attempting to do something that has never been done before - preserve our way of living and save our civilization from collapse. No people have ever managed to do that before, from Egypt to Easter Island they have all failed. Then again maybe that is what it takes to start doing things differently.

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help with parenting ?

by creativhoney in

for those who are now out and we can't use the 'what would jehovah think' method any more, has anyone struggled with discipline since leaving?.

my parents were so strict and laughter and silliness was frowned upon.

- especially by a militant stepfather.

zagor

My pleasure mrsjones, you might then also like to check this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJAL21IE9fY

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help with parenting ?

by creativhoney in

for those who are now out and we can't use the 'what would jehovah think' method any more, has anyone struggled with discipline since leaving?.

my parents were so strict and laughter and silliness was frowned upon.

- especially by a militant stepfather.

zagor

Well its easy to give an advice how things should be, but the basic truth is kids need time and space for experimenting which we adults often class as mischief but that's the only way they learn. We adults have years of accumulated experience of doing things right or wrong but it is sometimes easy to forget they have to learn everything from the beginning. They don't have a repository of past experiences, they have to try it to believe it (which by the way blows any 'past lives experience' nonsense right out of the water)
Being a parent or a guardian is a real pain in the butt, you know how things are supposed to be done and are seeing complete opposite. I see that with my daughter too. But funny thing happen when you actually let the do it their way after you told them what the best thing is to do. It lodges in their mind a bell mom/dad-told-us-so and more of these things happen more of a respect they develop even if they don't show it openly. In time it will build so much that they will start responding and showing respect.
The other thing about showing a respect to each other in the family, the thing is when people spend too much time together in the end they start to be irritated that the other person has a nose in the middle of their face. But if anything from the outside threatens family unit in any way you can see all that mischief evaporating in an instant and loyalty kick in. Which tells you it has been there all along but was suppressed because of boredom or alike.

Inside wtbs is imposed loyalty, how else explain so mach of public wound-licking on forums such as this one that can persist for years. While possible, chances are you don't see such public displays of discontent from normal family setting (unless they dealt with a psychopath of some kind)

WTBS loves to institutionalize people, then like inmates in prison they are all behaving nicely (or else). But I'd rather want to know what is really going on in a little head than suppress it all for the sake of outside appearance of a harmony (while pressure vents are sealed). The thing is with changes in hormones etc kids have often different and conflicting emotions and need a healthy way of dealing with them that is other than punishment. In fact, I'd say for the first 20 years they are going through different stages that need adaptable approach all along.

Funny thing is I remember when my little was only a year but had a funny sleeping cycle, elders were coming to my house to bug my ex to go to the meetings and bring our daughter along regardless how torturous that would be. I read them somewhere from Genesis where when Jacob met his brother Esau and Esau wanted them in a way to hurry up so Jacob said something along the lines "Why don't you go on ahead and let me travel along slowly with the children, the herds, and the flocks and we'll catch up later" i.e. take into account pace at which children go.
Crikey, I've never seen someone as offended by being read a paragraph from the very book they say they adhere to.

But judging by your posts I think you are a very good mom, the thing is all parents or most of normal ones anyway are going through the same thing and have always been. Heck, just watching National Geographic about lion cubs and you see the same. The thing is somehow all those kids turn out alright. You can see that by the fact that most people are relatively law abiding citizens and only minority are robing banks.

If I can suggest anything would be to try to find what they are passionate about and make everything revolve around that. Because when they are happy then everything else gets easier too. Try finding yourself the book by Sir Ken Robinson The Element - How Finding Your Passion Changes Everything. Actually its a good book even for us adults if we are unsure about what our talents are, let alone kids.