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  Question: Why was it ok to sell unbled meat to a foriegner for them to eat?

  by Lady Liberty in

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  hello all... ok, i have a question for any takers: deuteronomy 14:21 says this:.

  21 "you must not eat any body [already] dead.

  so, it is obvious that this is why they could not eat a animal that they found that had died, say from natural causes.

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  Hellrider

  Mary:

  Thanks for clarifying. What I meant was that unrepentant intake of blood (without going thru the cleansing-ritual, bathing and washing of clothes) - could result in the death penalty. But by following the cleansing-rules, it would all be a-ok after a few hours.. What the jws don`t understand is the complexity of the OT-law: It wasn`t just about the "rules"/"laws" in themselves, it was how one conducted oneself to these laws - even when it became necessary to break them. It was just as much about respecting the LAW as such (and show this respect - in a ritualistic manner - in the case of blood by going thru the cleansing ritual - which was used when breaking many of the other laws as well, for example the sexual ones), not just the individual rules! There are laws, there are exceptions to the laws, there are rules for making atonement when breaking the law, rules for atonement when in "grey zones", rules for atonement when taking advantage of a "loop-hole", etc. The jws have, in their ignorance, reduced this complexity into a life-death-scenario, something the LAW never required in the first place. The death penalty was, as you point out, reserved for severe cases.
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  Question: Why was it ok to sell unbled meat to a foriegner for them to eat?

  by Lady Liberty in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hello all... ok, i have a question for any takers: deuteronomy 14:21 says this:.

  21 "you must not eat any body [already] dead.

  so, it is obvious that this is why they could not eat a animal that they found that had died, say from natural causes.

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  Hellrider

  The jws have misunderstood the whole Mosaic Law on blood. Yes, they Israelites were prohibited from eating blood, but not fully!: Leviticus 17,15:

  "Anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean. 16 But if he does not wash his clothes and bathe himself, he will be held responsible.' "

  Why is this verse even there? Because in times of distress, for example in war, it might become necessary to eat an animal that had not been slaughtered the kosher-way. Why? To save lives! There were plenty of death-penalties in the OT-law. You couldn`t even yell at your own parents without being taken outside the city gates and stoned. But the law on blood has no death penalty! Only in jw-land.
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  What makes 'the Truth'....THE TRUTH?

  by BizzyBee in

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  nutshell premise: the central doctrine of christianity is that jesus christ died in order to atone for and secure god's grace for the sins of all mankind.. then what is the central doctrine of jws?

  (it most surely is not the above.).

  iow, what, essentially, is 'the truth'?.

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  The pillar of Jehovahs Witnoidism lays in one word, and one word only: Armageddon!

  Everything centers around this one, fundamental doctrine, and how/what one must do to avoid being killed in it. The focus on Armageddon is so strong, that the concept of Armageddon becomes (although this is completely irrational) even more scary than death itself. To avoid being brutally slaughtered in this coming apocalypse, from which there is no escape (!), if one happens to be a non-jw, or a sinful jw, one has to accept everything: Obedience to the FDS and absolutely everything they say, obedience to every idiotic man-made doctrine and amateurish Bible-"interpretation" of the WTS, obedience to every stupid non-Biblical doctrine they have ever established. One word: Armageddon!
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  New date for Armegeddon???

  by DawnLS620 in

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  i must have missed this on my travels thru different x-dub sites, but i think i read something on here about their "new light" regarding the timing for armegeddon.

  since its been over 30 years since 1975, how do they predict armegeddon now?

  what do they tell new converts regarding the 1975 debacle?

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  Satan tries to destroy all jws.

  And that`s when the "spiritual strength" of "Jehovahs people" will be tested, and the prophecy will be fulfilled: "For whoever touches you touches the apple of his eye blah blah blah"...(Zechariah 2,8, carefully ripped out of context). And then the end will come, and that is why "Jehovahs people" just loves it when it looks like they will finally be persecuted. One of the top-ranking nazis in WW2 witnessed an execution of some young Jehovahs Witnesses, and later stated that they were extatic, and stretched out their arms to welcome the rounds from the firing squad, cause they "knew they were finally going home". The Witnesses have this potential for the kind of extreme fanaticism you see in Islam and certain kinds of evangelical christianity (although non-violent, but that is just by chanse, had the leaders preached violence, they would have followed). No wonder they are still speculating about dates. I doubt the Society will ever set a specific date anymore, though. They learned their lesson.
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  "Jesus Camp" the movie

  by frankiespeakin in

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  first couple of videos are clips from the movie last 2 opinions about the movie.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bb2rt3ikjc&mode=related&search=.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6puqatccq0a&mode=related&search=.

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  Hellrider

  I just love it when they "speak in tongues", ha ha. What a bunch of morons. Poor kids, though.
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  Lurkers! How do you put up with it?

  by PopeOfEruke in

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  i just cannot understand how any one in their right mind can read the experiences here concerning the wachtower society's false claims, lies, trickery and deceit, and the example shown by the so-called "elders" in treating the flock with disdain and cruelty, and still stay a jehovah's witness.. lurkers, how can you do that?

  do you simply dismiss all the evidence?

  have any of you experienced such evil acts personally and still stay connected to the jw's?.

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  Hellrider

  Just for the record: Any religious organisation can use Zephaniah 3, Habakkuk or 2nd Peter to justify "why the end hasn`t come", or why there are "problems" or "weed" in the organisation or whatever. Any organisation! And it will work to, on the followers, as long as they (deep down) still believe that the organisation they belong to is "Gods sole channel of communication to mankind". If the follower/believer has this, then he will swallow all the Habakkuks and Zephanias dished out. Think about it.
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  Wow...just had an anxiety attack moments ago...

  by FreedomFrog in

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  this hasn't happened to me in a very long time.

  i was in the kitchen fixing dinner for the kids not really thinking about anything other than dinner..then bamm i was overwhelmed with a panic feel and very bad thoughts that i'd rather not discuss.

  i dropped what i was doing and went into zach's room just to get a bit of peace and recollect myself.

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  Hellrider

  Yes, anxiety attacks are horrible. I`m on medication for it, so I don`t get it in the daytime anymore. But when I go to bed...that`s when I get them. It helps to just DO something, get up, walk around, go get a glass of water or something. Try it, mayne it will help you "snap out of it", when you have them. I had my first one when I was around 13. Thought I had an aneurism or something (the dizzyness). It`s horrible.
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  Godhead

  by Messianic in

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  romans 1:20 is the second place the word "godhead" is found in the scripture.

  in this verse the apostle starts off saying "the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen.

  paul was speaking about god's divine nature, and was not talking about three manifestations of god.

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  Hellrider

  I didn`t quite understand your post, because you used all that space to argue against the trinity, but that was unecessary, cause jws don`t believe in the trinity! But: Are you here to preach a modalist view? Are you saying that Jesus was the God of the Old Testament? That Jehovah himself was on earth, in Jesus Christ?

  How do you then explain why Jesus prayed to his Father in heaven? I mean, if he was Jehovah himself, then he must have prayed to an empty heaven, staring his followers in the eyes and lying, when he pretended to be praying to his "Father" (when he himself was the Father). That means calling Jesus a liar.

  Modalism was condemned as heresy in the 2nd century already. I can`t believe some are still preaching it.
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  The Watchtower on Physics.

  by jeeprube in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just stumbled upon the watchtower article on the universal law of gravitation and why newton was wrong......what a laugh!

  the deeper you dig the stupider these people become.. http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/index.php/watchtower_quotes/medical-science/gravitation_and_electric_energy/.

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  Hellrider

  The theory that sun force in the form of light causes the rotary motion of heavenly bodies may be a correct one.

  LoL.

  Whether the earth is a direct creation of Jehovah or whether the planets were thrown off from the sun and shot out into space to find their “balance” at the command of God is immaterial, yet for us to incline toward the former view is reasonable.

  A ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Oh my goodness, this saved my day.
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  0.22% chance of being born into true religion as JW!!!!!

  by Qcmbr in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i've just been reading some cool books, one, freakonomics is very very good at revealing why statistics are important and we make a lot of assumptions based on false info.

  well anyway i decided on a purely statistical front to use the rough figures found on the pages below: .

  http://www.ibiblio.org/lunarbin/worldpop .

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  Hellrider

  0.22%...someone up there obviously had it in for me, right from the start.