The Torrent link didn't work for me either.
Isaac
i've spent the last 2 months listening to talks of former and current jw's, reading, using the wt cd, going through my collection of watchtowers from 1879-1947 (which i do have on .pdf if anyone is interested) and books i've managed to not lose in many moves since 1964.. is there a .pdf of the 1969 the kingdominterlineartranslationofthegreekscriptures anywhere?
i got one as a gift in 1969 when was a little girl and after going through many boxes of publications i can't find mine.
i need it to collaberate some things i have heard and unless i can read it for myself i can't take someone else's "saying" that the kit says something.
The Torrent link didn't work for me either.
Isaac
they don't care if they die, as long as it's for the cause.
they will zealously implement their agenda no matter how unreasonable or ignorant it is.
if "mother" told them to become martyrs, they follow the direction.
Whats more they view the world as religious fanatics, just like terrorists. They just don't carry guns.
Isaac Carmignani
does anyone here who disassociated regret it?
do you wish you had just faded instead?
did disassociating give you a liberating feeling of power over your life?
No way, not me. I actually would have just faded. But as an elder who wanted to warn those around me I had no choice but to leave. I am glad that I came down clearly against this religion. There are many who at least know that I wasn't thrown out. I didn't committ wrongdoing. I left because I think for myself. So for me I'm satisfied with my decision. And even if I had faded I would have been shunned anyway. I miss my old friends and hope to get some back one day. But conditional friendships like one finds in the JWs aren't really worth the loss of intellectual freedom.
Isaac Carmignani
here's the latest e-mail making the rounds:.
subject: brother witnesses to obama in ncthis is a picture of mark juntunen, a brother in our congregation talking.
to obama when he visited asheville nc during one of his election stomping.
Oh Wow, so Obama was witnessed to. OMG! He will now resign the Presidency, Kiss the Son, and become a JW.......Not!
Isaac
a great, informative, archived piece...for research, research, research:.
http://www.cesnur.org/testi/bryn/br_jenkins.htm.
the great anti-cult scare 1935-1945. philip jenkins, penn state university.
Bookmarked.
Isaac
that's the claim they always make.
but is that just a cover for the fact that most are now waking up to the b.s?
or that when people do wake up to the b.s.
In my eleven years "sexual immorality" was the predominant reason. Sadly most JWs don't see the BS. Those who do try to leave quietly or stay in because of family but have little or no zeal. At least that's what I observed.
Isaac
fyi everyone, cnn is doing a very informative show called escape from jonestown.
it may repeat later.. isaac.
Being that WT had convinced me to believe that we weren't a cult, I didn't pay much attention to this incident. Tonight therefore was very enlightening. I didn't realize that a U.S. Congressman was killed investigating this. If only the government had used this as a springboard to research cults and HCG's....
Isaac Carmignani
P.S. There is another thread on this I didn't realize had existed. Its http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/167909/1.ashx
thirty years ago, 900 people died by murder and suicide.
only a few survived.
now, cnn special correspondent soledad o'brien reports on their untold stories as "cnn presents: escape from jonestown.
Being that WT had convinced me to believe that we weren't a cult, I didn't pay much attention to this incident. Tonight therefore was very enlightening. I didn't realize that a U.S. Congressman was killed investigating this. If only the government had used this as a springboard to research cults and HCG's....
Isaac Carmignani
fyi everyone, cnn is doing a very informative show called escape from jonestown.
it may repeat later.. isaac.
FYI everyone, CNN is doing a very informative show called Escape from Jonestown. It may repeat later.
Isaac
as some of you may remember i have been embroiled in a divorce for the past year and a half.
i had helped my wife to see the reality of the jws.
but she ran back to it and that complicated things.
momscrazy, if I do I don't know about it. Being a dub totally isolated me from any non-Witness family. Which is most of them.
On the divorce now the plot thickens. After the fact she now says she can't sign. She says the proposed language crimps her Constitutional rights she says. Its going to piss off the judge. We all had this wording agreed to. Well I have to figure this one out. She didn't question the blood. So that's half the battle.
(Sorry I can't change the color here.)
Isaac