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  Those who saw 1914...

  by OldSoul in

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  let's do a little exercise:.

  if the generation that saw 1914 will not die before armageddon, as specifically stated by the prophet class (the faithful and discreet slave, per current understanding), how many are left?.

  i'll be generous and say that a nine year old could grasp the sharp 1914 changes jws cleave to...well, cleave to religiously, i suppose.. according to the population division of the department of economic and social affairs of the united nations secretariat, world population prospects: the 2004 revision, accessed online at esa.un.org/unpp, sept. 1, 2005, there are about 265,000 persons age 100 or older (that is, who were alive in 1905) in 2005. in other words, world-wide there are fewer from the "generation" that saw 1914 than many city populations in the u.s. alone.. now, suppose for the sake of ludicrous forebearance, we say that the prophet class is allowed a mulligan (a concept flatly disallowed by deuteronomy 18:20-22 and 1 john 4:1).

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  "Passing Away" no longer means dying of old age; it means execution at armageddon.

  TD, I missed this. Do you have the reference?
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  Anyone been baptised in another religon since leaving the dubs?

  by misspeaches in

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  i was just wondering if any of you have been baptised into another religon since leaving the jw's.. if you don't mind sharing i would love to know if it was a monumental decision for you to make?.

  what was your status when you did it?

  disphellowshipped?

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  You know, I wonder about this.

  It wasn't until I started re-investigating the Org that I really understood the implications of the post-'85 baptismal questions. I was livid at the arrogance of the Org when I saw the two sets of questions used previous to the '85 version.

  I made a dedication to Jehovah through prayer more than a year before I was baptized, but I wonder if that was sufficient since it didn't follow the format Jesus gave @ Matthew 28:19. I feel that Jesus' role has been down-played among JWs and that my dedication may not have shown a sufficient appreciation for Christ and the support of God's holy spirit. (Since JWs who make up the "other sheep" don't believe they are baptized with the holy spirit, Jesus' instructions are really inappropriate for them.) I also feel my baptism was tainted by it being used to symbolize a dedication to them. I'm starting to wonder if it was a "real" baptism.

  While I've since re-dedicated myself in my heart and through prayer, I'm unclear on what - if anything - I should do about baptism.
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  Do You Think The Watchtower Will Help The Hurricane Victims?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  maybe they'll take a cue from president bush and get involved?

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  Ingenuous

  Our CO from the platform, many times, strongly hinted that "everyone was signing their insurance checks over to the Society" and that "he didn't know ANYONE that DIDN'T donate their insurance checks to the Society."

  
  Grief - I've never heard of such a thing. How is it that I was dense enough that this sort of manipulation didn't make it though to my brain and show itself for what it was?

  I was always frustrated when there was a disaster and we never heard anything about the WTS' relief efforts and how those outside the affected areas could help. I can see why they'd organize on a local level, but there are so many friends who aren't in the local area who want to help - or, at least want to know what is being done for their brothers at the time of the disaster. I can imagine that some outside of the locality might travel into the damaged area to help because they're getting no details on what's going on and what's being done - so they act out of ignorance thinking this is the best way to help.

  Too, I wonder if the Org doesn't attempt more extensive relief efforts because they'd have to set up ways to manage the extra supplies and money. They would have to devote time to something other than printing and placing publications because they'd need a real, live, organized relief entity to manage resources and monitor the more "mundane" needs of the friends and supply help on a regular basis. JWs might actually start expecting help whenever a disaster occurred once such an entity existed and they could no longer pat themselves on the back as if they've done something extra-ordinary. Since the Org is so insistent that nothing distract them from the preaching and disciple-making work, they probably look down on creating a devoted, well-known, self-sufficient disaster relief entity.
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  National Geographic beats hell outa Watchtower

  by SixofNine in

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  2. friends

  when the wt gets anything this right, it will be a happy day for the governing body.

  but then again, the national geographic has the built in advantage of having an editorial content that focuses on reality.

  "thousands drowned in the murky brew that was soon contaminated by sewage and industrial waste.

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  Honesty:

  It can't be all that great because the brothers did not approve of my ex and I using it as an aid in home-schooling our kids.

  WHA??? What ridiculous reason do they have for making such an assertion?
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  To loot, or not to loot-is the point moot?

  by CaptainSchmideo in

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  okay, let's say you find yourself in the big easy.

  no lights, no phone, no motorcar, not a single luxury.. you have kids, you have yourself.

  everyone is hungry, and thirsty, and drinking the water will kill you (even walking around in it isn't real safe.).

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  I used to think I'd never do such a thing, that I'd die first. But, I've got all kinds of assumptions left over from my JW days that I'd never think to re-examine if it wasn't for threads like this.

  I think I could live with the idea of taking only what I need and paying for it later when the stores are re-opened.
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  Pictures of My Family at The "Holy JW" Wedding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  by whyamihere in

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  well here they are...i had a horrible time.

  seirously, i did.

  i was so stressed before the reception i collapsed.

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  Didn't I warn you about showing up looking better than everyone else there???

  You've got a good-lookin' family - you guys look like you should have been in the wedding procession.
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  Lets see if i can post pics.

  by Es in

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  2. friends

  ok this is my first attempt....this is a pic of my makeup and hair trial for the wedding es

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  Ingenuous

  Yay! You finally got it up! You look awesome!
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  My Dad Isn't There Anymore

  by BrendaCloutier in

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  2. family

  it really struck me last night that my dad is pretty much gone.

  he has advanced alzheimers, and is slowly dying of kidney failure from 40 years of diabetes.

  the family stepped in and said no to dialysis, because it would be 5 hours per day 3 days per week - minimum, for limited return on quality of life.

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  I lost my maternal grandmother to Alzheimers, my maternal grandfather to kidney failure. {{{{{Brenda}}}}}
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  Another "New Light" or changing their damned story again about reserection

  by crinklestein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  can anyone confirm if their doctrin of the reserection has been changed?

  a witness idiot i know has been trying to preach to me online trying to convert me.

  he has stability issues himself with flip flopping back and forth between the "world" and the "truth".

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  Ingenuous

  It seemed weird to me, when I was still "in", that all imperfect people who were alive @ Armageddon would be killed. Yet, in the "new system," people would be tested again, only this time they'd have had a thousand years to work out the kinks and would have perfect minds and bodies working for them. No fair!
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  Catholics are right if the Trinity is right

  by stillajwexelder in

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  if jesus is god then mary is the mother of god so the roman catholics are correct

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  Ingenuous

  If Jesus was God, than his death upset the scales of justice, but in the other direction. Whereas before man was condemned to death via Adamic sin, the death of God would be an overcompensation as opposed to a ransom of equal exchange.