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  A reminder for Witnesses who deny this

  by gumby in

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  here's a precious little gem for jehovahs witnesses who deny what their organisation really teaches.. when they are directly asked..." do you believe your the only ones who will be saved"?

  they try and wiggle out of it with some vague, obscure answer.

  below is what they really believe.. watchtower 1989 september 1 p. 19 remaining organized for survival into the millennium .

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  Double Edge said:

  That's been my experience. I've never been a dub, but when I asked my dubbie friend that question, their answer was "only Jehovah knows people's heart".... I was left with, "oookay... and that means......?" then they would "tap dance" around the question for the next several minutes. Go figure.... just say I'm worm food and be done with it.

  My response would be "can one be saved outside of the organization?" The statement that only Jehovah knows implies that one can be saved outside of the organization. It says that it isn't necessarily true that only dubs will be saved.
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  What do you call God

  by PoppyR in

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  ok, very interested to know, for those of you that still have a faith, and it seems many do.

  what do you refer to god as?

  is jehovah correct, is it not, is it too associated with jws for you to carry on doing that?

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  God is in the TV
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  Is god all knowing?

  by gringojj in

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  i dont understand how god can be omnipotent, and all knowing, but that doesnt apply to knowing the future?

  god is not human.

  he had the power to create us.

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  One cannot be simultaneously omnipotent and omniscient. This is the conflict that finally sent me over the edge to atheism.

  If God know everything which will happen, he knows what he is going to do at all points in the future. Therefore, he has no free will, meaning he cannot be all powerful.
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  New Governing Body members

  by Lot in

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  2. beliefs

  i was curious if anyone has any thoughts on why the two new members of the gb haven't beeen announced on the society's web site?

  they were appointed on august 25 according to what i have read here, but no one in my congregation has said anyhting about it.

  i know it is still a little early for it to be in the watchtower, but don't they usually post this kind of news at jw media?.

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  One brother I know of ;the anointed....His name is Bro. Freedman ;55 years old. He is not a member of the GB though. Why are so many young anointed all of a sudden?

  Because the whole idea is a fraud...
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  "Pope was investigating Knights Templar before his election"

  by sf in

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  2. beliefs

  just saw this and wanted to post it for any whom may find it of interest:.

  http://theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=1149.

  *** the new pope, benedict xvi, was actively investigating secret societies including the knights templar and the illuminati, it was revealed yesterday.

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  Oh, and I was abducted by aliens last night so Dick Cheney could probe me at Halliburton headquarters.
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  How many Jehovah's witnesses are there now?

  by Stan Conroy in

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  i've been asked that question, and since i've been out of it for years (and away from this forum for some time) i have no idea.

  can someone give me the latest figures?

  stan

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  I just looked at the stats online for JW growth over the last several years. Though about 250,000 are being baptised each year, total membership (publishers) is only going up by about 100,000 each year. That means 150,000 people are leaving each year. That only about a 1.6% growth rate, not even matching population growth rates.

  http://www.jwic.com/stat.htm
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  How many Jehovah's witnesses are there now?

  by Stan Conroy in

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  2. beliefs

  i've been asked that question, and since i've been out of it for years (and away from this forum for some time) i have no idea.

  can someone give me the latest figures?

  stan

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  Number of baptisms is dropping. Interesting.

  Do they publish any stats on DFs and DAs?
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  Black magic victims.

  by greendawn in

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  the jws always try to frighten their members by telling them that disobedience can open them up to demonic attack and we know this is nothing but a mind game to keep them in subjection.

  however it is claimed that certain occultists are paid by resentful people to cast spells against those that they hate eg to ruin their families, businesses or make them ill or depressed.

  these occultists are people co operating with demons channelling their destructive energies through black magic against fellow humans.

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  Do you know of people who believe that they were victimised in this way?

  I know a lot of people who have been victimized, not by demons or god, but by humans, calling themselves the Faithful Discreet Slave.
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  Wikipedia update

  by jstalin in

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  my previous addition to the jehovah's witness wikipedia article was removed, but it has been re-added by someone else, and worded more strongly:.

  * belief that a "great crowd" of jehovah's witnesses is now living that will survive the coming battle of armageddon and have the prospect of living forever on an earthly paradise.

  (revelation 7:9-17) belief that all others (non-jehovah's witnesses) on earth will be killed by jehovah at armageddon, including small children and babies.

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  AuldSoul:

  The reason that I say it is watered down is the word "associated." It gives the impression that even friends of JWs have a claim to being christians. I'm looking to make it clear that JWs in good standing with WTB&TS are the only true christians, according to them. However, no one seems to be able to agree on just what the name of the organization is.
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  Wikipedia update

  by jstalin in

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  my previous addition to the jehovah's witness wikipedia article was removed, but it has been re-added by someone else, and worded more strongly:.

  * belief that a "great crowd" of jehovah's witnesses is now living that will survive the coming battle of armageddon and have the prospect of living forever on an earthly paradise.

  (revelation 7:9-17) belief that all others (non-jehovah's witnesses) on earth will be killed by jehovah at armageddon, including small children and babies.

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  My previous addition to the Jehovah's Witness Wikipedia article was removed, but it has been re-added by someone else, and worded more strongly:

  * Belief that a "Great Crowd" of Jehovah's Witnesses is now living that will survive the coming battle of Armageddon and have the prospect of living forever on an earthly paradise. (Revelation 7:9-17) Belief that all others (non-Jehovah's Witnesses) on Earth will be killed by Jehovah at Armageddon, including small children and babies.

  Also, my previous addition about JW's being the only christians was modified by someone else to water it down. I still don't think it's quite accurate:

  * Belief that only persons who are associated with Jehovah's Witnesses can correctly be called true Christians.

  And, I added one more:

  * Belief that baptised Jehovah's Witnesses who disagree with official doctrine are to be labeled apostate, be disfellowshipped, and subsequently be shunned by all Jehovah's Witnesses, even family members.

  Here's the article for those who are interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witness