If you really want to get her, show her the Awake that came out a while back on that very subject. The whole point of the magazine was to show that the name Jehovah has only dropped from use by the general public in modern times. The magazine has tons of examples of "wordly" people using the name Jehovah, like a letter Abraham Lincoln, etc. It actually takes the argument that witnesses are not the only ones to use it, but have just continued using it while others have dropped it from the bible and other writings. I wish I could remember the date of that Awake, I only know that it has been within the last couple of years.
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"I Would've Never Known God's Name Is Jehovah Unless I Became A JW"
by minimus inso says my mom who is seeing that much of the "truth" isn't really all that true but she is stuck on "jehovah" being god's name and how only the witnesses make known his name.
what would you say in response?
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Hot sisters (or brothers) in your cong...
by blakky ini was just wandering.... was it just me or was everyone thinking about it..... ive been in a few congs where some of the sisters were absolutely drop dead gorgeous!
my last cong here in sydney, there was about 160 publishers so the talent was every where... i remember having the hots for this sister, who happens to be the wife of the service overseer... she was xxx hot.
i remember always having to wear my suit coat to the meeting to hide my excitement.. i think all the bro's must have thought the same thing.
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atypical
Hey - what's wrong with the pompadour? Rockabilly rules, daddy-o!!
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Answer to Job (Is Yahweh a Narcissist?)
by frankiespeakin ini came across this web site that discusses c. jung's book "answer to job".
here is a little clipping:.
http://www.cgjungpage.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=727&itemid=40.
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Another thing - I hear witnesses all the time saying that we are supposed to be proving Satan a liar, in reference to his claim made in Job that people will only serve God for their own good. Well, it seems to me that witnesses are proving Satan right, considering the harsh consequences which are meted out to them if they don't do what is "right" (as in, what the society says is right). So couldn't it be said that most witnesses only do what is "right" because they fear punishment - ie shunning, public humiliation by disfellowshipping, being marked, being talked about, etc.? How can they claim that they are proving the issue of universal sovereignty when they really base their actions on a fear of public shame?
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Answer to Job (Is Yahweh a Narcissist?)
by frankiespeakin ini came across this web site that discusses c. jung's book "answer to job".
here is a little clipping:.
http://www.cgjungpage.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=727&itemid=40.
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atypical
Makes me think of an episode of South Park I saw the other night. Kyle decides he no longer believes in God (He uses the name Jehovah, by the way) and his parents are trying to convince him that God exists. So they tell him the story of Job, complete with cartoon pictures of Job's family dying, etc. After they are done, there is a long silence and Kyle says, "So God killed Job's family and all his animals, and destroyed his home, and made him really sick, just to prove a point to Satan?" Another long pause, and the parents say, "Well, yes, I guess so."
I guess it was sort of the simpleton version of Jung's writing, eh? Pretty funny though.
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Please welcome THE SHOOTIST
by alamb in.
just wanted to introduce my friend the shootest.
he is new here and wanted to welcome him.. .
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atypical
Hello the shootist, nice to have you here. My name is Kenny, er, I mean, atypical.
Oh my god, they killed Kenny! Those bastards!
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What view did you have of apostates when you were a JW?
by bull01lay ini can remember being an attendant at one of the circuit assemblies in nottingham, where a group of pentecostals were picketing out by one of the gates.
i was intrigued for a short while, until a guy in a motorised wheelchair type thing, tried to get into the assembly by ramming himself into us.
i could of quite happily baptised him in the trent !!
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I thought that they were tricky devil-bastards who just wanted to fool me into thinking that I didn't have the truth, even though they knew I did. I bought into the reasoning that the witnesses always use: "They don't have anything to offer but hate. All they want to do is pull you away, where you'll have nothing".
The only other insight I had was the guys who would be outside the district convention, screaming through a tiny PA system at the passing dubs. I hate to say it, but it sort of reinforced the view of apostates that the congregation was promoting.
It wasn't until much later that I realized that anybody who stands up and voices an opinion can be considered an apostate. What a scary revelation that was for me!
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How does one get marked?
by On the Fence inok, i've been involved with jw's for 15 years or so, but i've not been deep enough into any "clicks" to know how someone gets "marked".
will someone explain?
i'm sure i must have been marked more than once for stupid reasons - only going to 2-3 of the 5 weekly meetings (hey, some of us do have to do laundry every now and then), not commenting enough (they wouldn't want to hear my comments now), not going out in service enough, etc.
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Here is the info straight from the watchtower cd-rom:
Watchtower 85 4/15 pg 30-31
Situations that call for ‘marking’ are more serious than the above example involving children. Occasionally a person in a congregation pursues an unscriptural course that is very disturbing, though it does not yet justify the disfellowshipping action mentioned at 1 Corinthians 5:11-13. Such conduct occurred in the congregation of ancient Thessalonica, so Paul wrote: "We hear certain ones are walking disorderly among you, not working at all but meddling with what does not concern them."—2 Thessalonians 3:11.
What were other Christians in Thessalonica to do? Paul wrote: "We are giving you orders, brothers, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, to withdraw from every brother walking disorderly and not according to the tradition you received from us. For your part, brothers, do not give up in doing right. But if anyone is not obedient to our word through this letter, keep this one marked, stop associating with him, that he may become ashamed. And yet do not be considering him as an enemy, but continue admonishing him as a brother."—2 Thessalonians 3:6, 13-15.
Thus, without naming the lazy meddlers, Paul exposed to the congregation their serious course. All Christians who were aware of the identity of the disorderly ones would then treat them as "marked." The counsel, "keep this one marked," used a Greek word meaning "be you putting sign on," that is, ‘taking special notice of someone.’ (New World Translation Reference Bible, footnote) Paul said, "Stop associating with" the marked one "that he may become ashamed." Brothers would not completely shun him, for Paul advised them to "continue admonishing him as a brother." Yet by their limiting social fellowship with him, they might lead him to become ashamed and perhaps awaken him to the need to conform to Bible principles. Meanwhile the brothers and sisters would be protected from his unwholesome influence.—2 Timothy 2:20, 21.
The Christian congregation today also applies this counsel. The Watchtower of February 1, 1982, page 31, stressed that marking is not to be done over mere private opinions or when a Christian personally chooses to avoid close association with someone. As shown by the case in Thessalonica, marking involves serious violations of Bible principles. First the elders try repeatedly to help the violator by admonishing him. If the problem persists, they may, without naming the person, give a warning talk to the congregation concerning the disorderly conduct involved, even as Paul warned the Thessalonians. After that, individual Christians would keep the erring person "marked."
Good judgment is needed rather than predetermined rules about every aspect of marking. Paul did not give detailed rules regarding that problem in Thessalonica, such as stipulating how long someone had to have been refusing to work before he could be marked. Similarly, the elders are in touch with the flock and can use reasonableness and discernment in determining whether a particular situation is sufficiently serious and disturbing so as to require a warning talk to the congregation.
One purpose of marking is to move a disorderly Christian to feel ashamed and stop his unscriptural course. Individuals who had marked him, particularly the elders, will continue to encourage him and note his attitude as they have contact with him at meetings and in field service. When they see that the problem and attitude necessitating the marking have changed for the better, they can end their limitation as to socializing with him.
Consequently, marking should not be confused with a personal or family application of God’s advice to avoid bad association. While marking is not something that is needed often, it should be plain that marking is a Scriptural step that is taken when it is warranted, which step our Thessalonian brothers took.
[Footnotes]
See The Watchtower, May 15, 1973, pages 318-20.
For example, elders should exercise discernment in dealing with a Christian who is dating a person not "in the Lord."—See The Watchtower of March 15, 1982, page 31.
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GAGS I HAVE PROUDLY PULLED ON JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES :)
by Nate Merit inin 1984 (shudder!
) my bud mark smith and i picketed the kingdom hall in ann arbor, michigan.
our signs had a watchtower drawn on them and said 'this religion is a snare and a racket!
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Nate, I would just like to say....
Right on, man! Your pranks gave me a good laugh. Made me wonder if I should be a little more spunky while I still can.
All your pranks were creative and funny, in my opinion. Add to that the fact that you hurt nobody. You just made some of the witnesses jobs a little bit harder, but who really feels bad about that? As far as I can tell, you didn't target any specific individual in a hurtful way, you just poked fun at the structure of the witness culture.
Sorry, Eduardo.
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Did you have a "third" hall for the Theocratic Ministry School?
by truthseeker ini have never been to a congregation where they had a third hall for talks.
is it rare to have a third school?
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Yeah, phoenix in the 80's at our hall we had three schools. I was on the impromptu list to help out with all the cancellations.
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Having a hard time tonight
by onesong init's been 2 months since i was df'd and 4 months since i've talked to anyone in my family.
for the most part i'm doing real well but every now and then it catches up with me.
ran into my dad today and when i tried to say hi he could only ignore me.. i think the pain and hurt i feel now is more for him, he's in his own world of misery and doesn't even know it.. anyway, i'm a little drunk and depressed and just felt like getting it off my chest.. hope this doesn't bring anyone else down.. namaste'
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onesong, I am sorry for what you are going through. Hang in there and keep talking to people here who understand and can give you useful advice.