Interesting! Which one of the Governing body was a child molester?
SimonSays
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Why are there so many pedophiles predators in the Watchtower Corporation?
by Brokeback Watchtower inone reason is because the governing body's policies allow them to run loose in the congregation with their secrecy/kangaroo courts.
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to keep jehovah's name untarnished(organization sock puppet) they have put the little rank and file member at risk.. one member of the gb was a child molester.. sexual repression also seems to aggravate the situation and make matters worse.. the governing body main concern is not children but how to keep the scam going and so if they can get the victim to shut up and not go to the police as it offers a temporary fix.. etc.....
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Why are people burning their city to the ground in Baltimore? How doe Looting and Mob Violence Help?
by PokerPlayerPhil init's hard enough for businesses to enter these areas the government once had to offer up tax breaks to service them.
in watts, california it took decades for city residents to get a grocery store after the thugs burned their businesses to the ground.
you can see the insanity taking place, when you allow mobs and fools to burn building down nothing good comes from it.
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SimonSays
I wonder how many here are qualified to psychoanalyze what is going on in Baltimore without first taking an in-depth look at societies as a whole, and the influence other cultures have made to the breakdown of morals not only in the USA but throughout the world that impacts civilization uniformly.
People are too quick to voice an opinion and condemn without knowing the truth behind the truth TTBTT, even though their far from it. A parallel that can be reckoned just as in religion. A paradox that will just get worse. The contempt the modern youth has on behavior and morals becomes a great disconnect to civil life. Something that government has been using and will ultimately continue to use as a pretext to form new governments.
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Divine Name in the First Century
by freemindfade induring the watchtower today while there was so much pontificating on the first century christian movement, i was wondering what would happen i asked your run of the mill r&f how paul and others would have been pronouncing the divine name?....
yes god's name, something witnesses claim was so critical.
but the absolute fact of the matter is that no christian was saying the name jehovah at all, period.
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SimonSays
Hasn’t this been discussed already on a different thread.
So if the Encyclopedia Britannica
Yahweh
the God of the Israelites, his name being revealed to Moses as four Hebrew CONSONANTS (YHWH) CALLED THE TETRAGRAMMATON. AFTER THE EXILE (6TH CENTURY BC), and especially from the 3rd century BC on, Jews ceased to use the name Yahweh for two reasons. As Judaism became a universal religion through its proselytizing in the Greco-Roman world, the more common noun Elohim, meaning "god," tended to replace Yahweh to demonstrate the universal sovereignty of Israel's God over all others. At the same time, the divine name was increasingly regarded as too sacred to be uttered; it was thus replaced vocally in the synagogue ritual by the Hebrew word Adonai ("My Lord"), which was translated as Kyrios ("Lord") in the Septuagint, the Greek version of the Old Testament.
And according to Jeroen Ashton
In 1278 a Spanish monk, Raymundo Martini, wrote the Latin work PUGIO FIDEI (Dagger of faith). In it he used the name of God, spelling it Yohoua. Later printings of this work, dated some centuries later, used the spelling JEHOVA.
Soon after, in 1303, Porchetus de Salvaticis completed a work entitled VICTORIA PORCHETI AVERSUS IMPIOS HEBRAEOS (Porchetus' Victory against the Ungodly Hebrews). He spells God's name IOHOUAH, IOHOUA and IHOUAH.
Then, in 1518, Petrus Galatinus, a Catholic priest born in the late 1400's, published a work entitled DE ARCANIS CATHOLICAE VERITATIS (Concerning Secrets of the Universal Truth) in which he spelled God's name IEHOUA.
Now, the direct answer to your question: the name "Jehovah" first appeared in an English BIBLE in 1530, when William Tyndale published a translation of the Chumash (the first five books of the Bible). In this, he included the name of God, usually spelled IEHOUAH, in several verses (Genesis 15:2; Exodus 6:3; 15:3; 17:6; 23:17; 33:19; 34:23; Deuteronomy 3:24. Tyndale also included God's name in Ezekiel 18:23 and 36:23 in his translations that were added at the end of THE NEW TESTAMENT, Antwerp, 1534), and in a note in this edition he wrote: "Iehovah is God's name... moreover as oft as thou seist LORD in great letters (except there be any error in the printing) is is in Hebrew Iehovah." (Please note as I told you previously, there was no "J" in English at this time; the J is a product of a stylized I; thus giving us the current Jehovah rather than the Old English Iehovah. The "u" used in the above names is also a reminder that there was no "v" in Old English, as you can read David in the original King James version was written "Dauid".)
In 1534 Martin Luther published his complete translation of the Bible in German, based on the original languages. While he used the German "Herr" (Lord or Sir) for the Tetragrammaton, in a sermon which he delivered in 1526 on Jeremiah 23:1-8, he said, "The name Jehovah, Lord, belongs exclusively to the true God."
Subsequently, Jehovah was used not only in the "Authorized" King James Version of 1611, but the Spanish VALERA version of 1602, the Portuguese ALMEIDA version of 1681, the German ELBERFELDER version of 1871, and the American Standard Version of 1901. It appears that the Jerusalem Bible was the first one to used Yahweh instead of Lord and Jehovah.
The Masoretic, who from about the 6th to the 10th century worked to reproduce the original text of the Hebrew Bible, replaced the vowels of the name YHWH with the vowel signs of the Hebrew words Adonai ("Lord", editor) or Elohim ("God", editor). Thus, the artificial name Jehovah (YeHoWaH) (emphasis ours, ed.) came into being. Although Christian scholars after the Renaissance and Reformation periods used the term Jehovah for YHWH, in the 19th and 20th century’s biblical scholars again began to use the form Yahweh. Early Christian writers, such as Clement of Alexandria in the 2nd century, had used a form like Yahweh, and this pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton was never really lost. Other Greek transcriptions also indicated that YHWH should be pronounced Yahweh.Hence forth the name kept by the Watchtower, and by 1931 it was used to distinguish Jehovah’s Witnesses from the International Bible Student Association. I believe that’s the point for JW’s to bring back the rightful name of God in modern language, but as you Stated, time will tell if they had it right. But I think that’s why they have faith that it’s close enough to use that name instead as an informal apathy like GOD.
I don’t know if you understand the concept of modern language, but Jesus wasn’t spelled that way either.
Mark 14:18-21 English Standard Version (ESV)
18 And as they were reclining at table and eating, Jesus said, “Truly, I say to you, one of you will betray me, one who is eating with me.” 19 They began to be sorrowful and to say to him one after another, “Is it I?” 20 He said to them, “It is one of the twelve, one who is dipping bread into the dish with me. 21 For the Son of Man goes as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born.”
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Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Assist With Disaster Relief? (In Nepal)
by berrygerry indo jehovahs witnesses assist with disaster relief in nepal?.
http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/assist-with-disaster-relief/.
what say ye?.
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SimonSays
I wonder how many here donate to disaster relief or for the poor and understand that only a small percentage of that actually makes it for that purpose. The Catholic Church makes those funds available to support their Fathers, bishops, cardinals that don’t work. The Salvation Army is much worse since they also use the donations to support the hourly wages of their workers. The evangelicals use their donations to increase their appearance on television. These religions file this money under operational cost.
So all in all, even if the WT uses donations to help their members, then the donations are only used for that purpose. Can your irreversible hatred say that?
Not to mention other religions that support their own by extending a helping hand to them only.
MDA announced that Jerry Lewis was stepping down as host of its annual Labor Day telethon, the marathon TV event he had made his personal showcase, soap box and sentimental journey for 45 years. Why, because MDA got tired of having to give Jerry Lewis 20% of what they raised for Muscular Dystrophy to him, plus people had found out and started donating less.
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Researching JW
by Researcher1983 indear all,i am a student writing my thesis in the netherlands on feelings of belongings in jehovah witnesses, techniques used for conversion and experiences of ex witnesses.
i would appreciate if anyone is willing to talk to me.
i can provide more information about my research.
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SimonSays
You’ve come to the wrong site if you’re looking for honesty. Call the Watchtower help desk. Just keep in mind that you’re dealing with disgruntled disfollowshipped ex-witnesses with an axe to grind and hypocritical active witnesses here. But if your thesis will be less than accurate, then you’re in the right place or as suggested jwfacts. (Joke with Facts)
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Why do religious people make claims and then refuse to back them up?
by Viviane inseveral times over the past few months i have had conversations, both here and in real life, with religious people making all sorts of interesting and conflicting claims.
i like to know how things work, so generally i will ask questions to net out what i am being told and see if it can be explained and make sense.. for instance, if someone said 2+2=4 and i asked how, there are a variety of ways that could be shown to me, a number line, physical objects being put together, counting on fingers and toes, etc.
indeed, in my personal life, i often have to explain how certain technologies work, sometimes planned, sometimes off the cuff, from a variety of group sizes to a varying degree of technical expertise.
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Cofty, was that you, well go back to college mate. Return your degree if they gave you one, since you can’t understand commonality besides I’m not your mother to get hostile with me. Smart people yeah right!!!!!!!!!
The elusive Higgs boson, the so-called "God particle," may not have been discovered despite claims of it being detected, some scientists are saying.
Particle physicists at the European Organization for Nuclear Research announced 2 years ago they had discovered the Higgs particle, considered the foundation particle in the Standard Model of Particle physics, and a Nobel Prize was awarded to Peter Higgs and Francois Englert for their work on the theory of the Higgs boson.
Now, though, researchers at the University of Southern Denmark's Center for Cosmology and Particle Physics Phenomenology suggest that while the CERN scientists did discover a unique new particle, there's no conclusive evidence of it being the Higgs boson.
The Higgs could explain data obtained by CERN scientists using the Large Hadron Collider, but other particles could have created the data, suggesting there might be alternate explanations for it, they say in a paper published in the journal Physical Review D.
"The current data is not precise enough to determine exactly what the particle is," says university researcher Mads Toudal Frandsen. "It could be a number of other known particles."
One possibility is that the CERN team was seeing a theoretical particle dubbed the techni-higgs, he says.
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Why do religious people make claims and then refuse to back them up?
by Viviane inseveral times over the past few months i have had conversations, both here and in real life, with religious people making all sorts of interesting and conflicting claims.
i like to know how things work, so generally i will ask questions to net out what i am being told and see if it can be explained and make sense.. for instance, if someone said 2+2=4 and i asked how, there are a variety of ways that could be shown to me, a number line, physical objects being put together, counting on fingers and toes, etc.
indeed, in my personal life, i often have to explain how certain technologies work, sometimes planned, sometimes off the cuff, from a variety of group sizes to a varying degree of technical expertise.
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SimonSays
Okay, everybody lost me a few threads ago. What topic are we on now. The original question was: Why do religious people make claims and then refuse to back them up? What.
List: 1. Creationism
2. Intelligent Design
3. Theistic Evolution
4. Atheist Evolution
5. Additional Positions
Some hypothesis came from the Catholic Church such as the big bang. This is why the Catholic Church by the most part stay silent. That’s been going on since Galileo.
Parameters:
List: 1. Expectation
2. Perception
3. Presumption
4. Additional Positions
Science is not faring any better. When the scientific community screamed success for finding the Higgs Boson particle by the CERN, it was premature since 2 years later a portion of the same community screamed foal. Higgs had not found the God Particle. The answer to the simplest question on how matter evolved. The conclusion would allow science to prove string theory and therefore dark matter.
Since both theories are mystic, there’s no winner. They both cancel each other out according to the laws of physics.
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I've just been disfellowshipped!
by maksutov inapparently it was announced last night.
i was not informed (for 'legal reasons'), but they phoned my dad and told him.
i understand it is due to my apostate book.
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SimonSays
Another playbook to plug Raymond Franz, and JWfacts. I hope your next book will be original. Maybe we should start calling ourselves Raymondites or JWjesuit what you think, catchy.
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Why do religious people make claims and then refuse to back them up?
by Viviane inseveral times over the past few months i have had conversations, both here and in real life, with religious people making all sorts of interesting and conflicting claims.
i like to know how things work, so generally i will ask questions to net out what i am being told and see if it can be explained and make sense.. for instance, if someone said 2+2=4 and i asked how, there are a variety of ways that could be shown to me, a number line, physical objects being put together, counting on fingers and toes, etc.
indeed, in my personal life, i often have to explain how certain technologies work, sometimes planned, sometimes off the cuff, from a variety of group sizes to a varying degree of technical expertise.
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SimonSays
They don’t consider their outlook in a targeted religion as hatred but a rite of passage. They are only interested in one major event. To bring down the very religion that kicked them out in the first place. It really has nothing to do with the perception of religion as opposed to cults, but there are some here from other Christian faiths maligning just the same.
It’s a deep rooted anger to the organization they are bitter about, but they fail to see, they have become that of what they most despise. So it’s not an analytical, just typical.
However, when they feel threaten by an educated person, they have to lash out to show their in control no one else, so save your frustration, debating intellectually here, it’s futile.
So just like Sheldon said “Oh, you think you’re so clever. Well, let me just tell you, while I do not currently have a scathing retort, you check periodically for a doozy.
So kick back, enjoy the show as they figure out how to mesmerize you with their own style of intellect.
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Elders want to meet with us, help!
by All for show inmy husband is awake,yay!
we haven't been to meeting since february, although we attended the memorial.
when jws have called us we say we are amazing, everything is awesome much to their shock.
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SimonSays
Been there done that. I must live in the wrong side of the USA, but not all college experience is peaches and cream. Maybe you just didn’t notice real life around you. Not just by what you see in television, but by seeing it personally.