I actually thought this was a pretty good study article, for once, except for paragraph 17 re apostasy.
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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 12-24-06 WT Study (Keep in God's Love)
by blondie instart of article.
q1, 2) how can you remain in god's love?.
1) jehovah loves the world of mankind so much that he gave his only-begotten son in order that those exercising faith in him might have everlasting life.
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just my take on wbts what's your's
by bobld inuntil 1879 no one understood the bible properly,until god apponted a fds/ibs.who would feed the domestics the proper food at the proper time.
(this food got rotten at times)then in 1918 jesus christ came for an inspection and found that the food was rotten and put the leaders in jail for 9 months(somehow this fits in with bible prophecy per fds/gb,i just don't know how)than in 1931 they changed their name to jw and in 1935 they began feeding the jonadab's i guess these jonadab's were getting very hungry.after they fed the jonadab's, they started to feed the worldly's.they said the time remaning for this system was short and would end before the generation that saw the world events of 1914 would be alive to see the new system and god's new kingdom ruling on the earth.that generation passed on,so in the wise wisdom of the gb/fds/wts in 1995 defined the length and meaning of the generation.they may have missed some scriptures where god defines the length of days for man.
(maybe the light wasn't shining or was blurry).in 2000 the gb/fds/wts said the end was very near,deep.deep,deep into this system.in fact "we,are no longer just around the corner,we are around the corner,in fact we are in the last hour".they mentioned 6 signs why the end was near(see 2000 wt&km).one on those signs were the gb/fds was getting very old and would not be around much longer.so they are training the jonadab's,well only special one to take over the feeding chores once all 144k are sealed in heaven.however,if the end doesn't come they the 144k will materialize and help with the sherphering work.
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"Isn't it interesting that the witnesses don't believe any of the things that Russel taught in 1879?"
That's patently false. Russell didn't believe in the trinity, immortal soul, hellfire. Neither do JW's today. -
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just my take on wbts what's your's
by bobld inuntil 1879 no one understood the bible properly,until god apponted a fds/ibs.who would feed the domestics the proper food at the proper time.
(this food got rotten at times)then in 1918 jesus christ came for an inspection and found that the food was rotten and put the leaders in jail for 9 months(somehow this fits in with bible prophecy per fds/gb,i just don't know how)than in 1931 they changed their name to jw and in 1935 they began feeding the jonadab's i guess these jonadab's were getting very hungry.after they fed the jonadab's, they started to feed the worldly's.they said the time remaning for this system was short and would end before the generation that saw the world events of 1914 would be alive to see the new system and god's new kingdom ruling on the earth.that generation passed on,so in the wise wisdom of the gb/fds/wts in 1995 defined the length and meaning of the generation.they may have missed some scriptures where god defines the length of days for man.
(maybe the light wasn't shining or was blurry).in 2000 the gb/fds/wts said the end was very near,deep.deep,deep into this system.in fact "we,are no longer just around the corner,we are around the corner,in fact we are in the last hour".they mentioned 6 signs why the end was near(see 2000 wt&km).one on those signs were the gb/fds was getting very old and would not be around much longer.so they are training the jonadab's,well only special one to take over the feeding chores once all 144k are sealed in heaven.however,if the end doesn't come they the 144k will materialize and help with the sherphering work.
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yaddayadda
Your 'take' seems pretty much orthodox Watchtower-speak, except for the 144k materialising idea.
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JW's - How many Masters are you serving?
by Honesty indo jw's agree with romans 6:16 that if one obeys someone they are slaves of the one they are obeying?.
romans 6:16 says, "do you not know that if you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of that one you obey either of sin leading to death or of obedience leading to righteousness?
the watchtower society's daily text for monday december 18, 2006 says, "similarly, we will be blessed if we recognize and obey the prophet greater than moses, jesus, as well as "the faithful and discreet slave" appointed by him.".
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yaddayadda
I agree with your thoughts there Confession. If that is the original point that was being got at then you have put it much better and reasonably than Honesty did.
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We know
by Norm inpart 9 starts with the question:.
20-21 how we know we are in the last days ***.
the bible is the word of god!
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yaddayadda
Truth is in the eye of the beholder.
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e-watchman mass banning
by spiceant inrecently e-watchman started deleting/suspending (theres a difference?
) accounts of people on the e-jehovahs-witnesses.com forum left and right which he and the moderating team deemed to be discussing apostate things as in apostate in brother kings own vision, further detailed in some posts (basicly barring out discussions of jw doctrine).. i suppose my own offenses was my "staying in the org.
" thread and one that explained that one should not depend on kh's to be able of worshipping.
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Apparently e-watchman still holds to all of the Society's core teachings, but selectively trashes other teachings like 1914, etc. I think recently a lot of persons on his site have been challenging some of the JW core doctrines, eg, that there is a heavenly hope, that the JW's are the only true religion, etc, so E-W has come down hard. If he wants to suppress discussion on things like that then that is his perogative, but it seems he has not given people much warning and has treated otherwise loyal people very harshly by banning them without any further ado. No doubt he is convinced in his own mind that he is doing everyone a favour by ousting these 'apostates' on his site.
Moderator-1 on his website is Timothy Kline, who administers King's forum software. Kline is an internet whiz and has his own JW-related website - 'Pathways' or something. King will never admit that Kline is moderator-1 as Kline prefers to use weighty, scathing words anonymously (remind you of any group?). Kline is a ruthless moderator on e-w's forum, but on his own website he tolerates discussion on just about anything, and in fact Kline has posted an article questioning whether there is a heavenly resurrection at all, something that e-w doesn't like discussed on his site! Kline has also admitted he doesn't believe the JW's are the one true religion, something anathema to e-w. If that's not hypocritical I don't know what is. -
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e-watchman mass banning
by spiceant inrecently e-watchman started deleting/suspending (theres a difference?
) accounts of people on the e-jehovahs-witnesses.com forum left and right which he and the moderating team deemed to be discussing apostate things as in apostate in brother kings own vision, further detailed in some posts (basicly barring out discussions of jw doctrine).. i suppose my own offenses was my "staying in the org.
" thread and one that explained that one should not depend on kh's to be able of worshipping.
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deleted - accidental post.
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"Jehovah God"
by Jeffro inthe expression "jehovah god" has always seemed strange to me.
even when i was a jw, i found the term awkward, and never used it myself.
both words are nouns intended to be synonyms of each other, unless the name "jehovah" is being used as an adjective, which is also weird.
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yaddayadda
It always bugged me too. It almost seems childish, like saying 'moo cow', 'pussy cat' or 'car car'.
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I got the phone call. WARNING, DEPRESSING!
by Schism inwell,my dad called last night, crying.
he says armageddon's about to start and he doesn't want to lose me.
he said i either need to become a good jw and go to the meetings, or he will have to distance himself from me so that he won't be so attached to me when the big a hits.
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Did you ask him why he believes Armageddon is about to start? Did he attempt to offer any real proof?
This just shows that what is motivating everyone in the organisation is a morbid FEAR of death at Armageddon, not love. It's no different than the fear of being tortured in a burning hell. Your parent's emotional upset is entirely because of their twisted fear that Jehovah will soon slaughter you for leaving the org.
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Martial Arts ultimate self-help system
by zagor inafter leaving j-dubs one of the first things i did was to enroll in kung fu martial arts school (and recently even started doing ninjutsu).
it was one of the best decisions ive ever made, until recent times at least.. what ive quickly learned was that beauty of martial arts transcends physical skill and techniques.
it is by no means only whole body workout; it is body and mind workout in its fullest sense.. to master advanced level of martial arts one cannot skip over underlying philosophy.
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yaddayadda
I did Brazilian Jiu-jitsu for a while and can understand what you are getting at. It focuses your thoughts like nothing else and I found it a good way to get my mind of JW stuff. BJJ is pretty hard-core and not for the faint-hearted and if you end up in a dojo that tolerates bullys and ego-maniacs it can be deflating to your self-esteem, especially in the early stages.
I have a cousin who is a 5th dan Zendokai karate black-belt and he says that if he were to take up any martial art now it would be Aikido.
I might try Aikido soon but I'm a bit put off by all the tradition and crazy pants Gi's.