Focusing on the tribes is what throws people off the scent. The 12 instances of 12,000 add up to 144,000. Since Jehovah's Witnesses teach that the 12 12,000s are symbolic, how could their sum be literal?
AuldSoul
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Is the 144,000 persons mentioned in Rev 7:4-8 literal or symbolic
by trem ini know that this may have been treated before but i still need your valuable suggestions.. rev 7:4 says "and i heard the number of those who were sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of israel", veses 5 to 8 provides additional details that 12,000 were selected from the 12 tribes of israel.
the book of numbers 1: 20-42 lists the following as the 12 tribes of natural israel: reu ben, sim eon, gad, judah, is sachar, zeb ulun, e phraim, manas seh, benjamin, dan, ash er and naph tali.
however, rev 7:5-8 did not list the tribes of ephraim and dan but instead listed 10 approved tribes with 2 non approved tribes of levi and joseph.
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DEFD FAQ
by wanderlustguy insince the same questions get asked all the time, i figured i'd start a faq .
q: does defd count time here?.
a: according to him, no, and it must be true, otherwise he'd be a special freakin pioneer.
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AuldSoul
AGGHHHH! T.M.I.!!!
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Hello all!
by Dub inhey guys, how is it going?
ironically, my nickname is dub and has been since i was in the 5th grade!
i stumbled upon the forum one day while i was at school and have been browsing ever since.
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AuldSoul
Dub, as a recommendation from a friend (not to be construed as legal advice) ask your grandfather if you can put the truck in his name until you turn 18. Explaining the situation to him will make it very likely he will go along with you. Then your father can't take the truck.
AuldSoul
P.S. LOL! Looks like Legolas and I share a brain today.
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An Old JW friend has just pissed his life away...
by Sam the Man inwell, a few of you are aware of my situation.
for those that are not, basically i more or less admitted to my wife that i no longer believe (after being raised a dub, bethel 'service' etc) and that led to altercations with her and the elders.
i had a friend in the congreation who, after also being raised a jw, had done none of the things i had, even not been baptised (thats right, not in 30+ years!!!
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AuldSoul
Sorry for your loss, Sam the Man.
Still, more are leaving than are coming in. They can't stem the tide of exits/fades. I can't wait to see the numbers for this past service year. Maybe your friend will come out once the waters are proven to be dried up.
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NGO/WTS scandal info sought
by yaddayadda insome questions for someone really clued up on the ngo scandal:
who was the pr when the society first applied to be an ngo in 1992....milton henschel?
when did don adams become the president of the wts?
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AuldSoul
yaddayadda, I am confused about why you are seeking this information from secondary sources. The UN/DPI NGO Section has answered my requests for information related to factual policies at specific times in the organization's history on each occasion I asked for such. Have you had a different experience or have you not tried to get information from them?
What I am after is a pre-2001 scan, or other proof, of the documents that would have accompanied the annual accreditation form in the 'package' Auldsoul talks about.
Why would you think people who were not NGO Associates to the UN/DPI pre-2001 would have the complete materials that accompanied yearly mailings from the UN/DPI? You would have a much greater chance of success going to a primary source (either to one of the other organizations that was an NGO Associate during this period or to the UN/DPI itself).
I'm glad you guys aren't on my legal team.
For what it is worth, if this is how you respond to people you don't pay who are trying to help you out, I'm gald I'm not on your legal team, too.
AuldSoul
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Definitions of the United Nations!
by Atlantis in"a document is a text submitted to a principal organ or a subsidiary organ of the united nations for consideration by it, usually in connection with item(s) on its agenda.".
source: st/ai/189/add.3/rev.2, para.
http://www.un.org/depts/dhl/resguide/symbol.htm#define
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AuldSoul
The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. has been and always will be a non-governmental organization (NGO).
So is the local supermarket, and any other organization that is not a governement. No NGO can become part of the UN, including the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. They became a part of the UN/DPI as an Associate NGO (also variously called Member, Partner, and Affiliate).
It was the nature of the relationship to an organization under judgment by God that made this a gross violation of their published stand on neutrality. (Organized to Do Jehovah's Will p. 155; Organized to Accomplish Our Ministry p. 151)
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making 1914 crumble
by googlemagoogle inyet another 1914 thread?
there are plenty of threads already about chronology, babylonian kings, egyptian kings, median and persian kings, there is also lots of information available about old bible-students and jw literature.
even a simplified chronology including "fallen baby" and "evil duck" is available somewhere on this site.
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AuldSoul
Damn! Those celebrated wt scholars didn't even know how to calculate BCE into CE? They weren't celebrated yet, I suppose. Or weren't cerebrated yet, or something.
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What's WRONG with some people (ranting)?!?!
by FreedomFrog inok, i was at meijer about to do my grocery shopping, though before i do shopping, i always eat something so i can stay on my budget and not grab everything i see.
the cafe' was closed so i had to get a deli sandwich.
i went to go pay and a lady steps in front of me.
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AuldSoul
The BEST comback, in my opinion, would play out like this:
Her: ARE YOU A WITCH?
You: No.
Her: (whispering) you have a pentacle on, that's witchcraft.
You: You have a cross on, that's a penis.
Her: ... (confusion) JESUS LOVES YOU!
You: I love everyone. Even people who wear penises on chains around their necks. Now, I am hungry. Jesus even recognized that it wasn't loving to keep people from eating. Are you going to follow his example?
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Lurker comes out of hiding : )
by happy1975 ini've been lurking for months, reading your posts nearly every day.
i finally decided to come out of hiding because i need help.
i post on another board that has nothing whatsoever to do with religion and i saw this post-.
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AuldSoul
Ask her whether she knows that the Governing Body teaches that Jesus Christ is not her mediator. (1 Timothy 2:5)
Ask her whether she knows that the Governing Body teaches that mature Christians have no private ideas about the Bible. (wt01 8/15 p. 14 paragraph 8)
Ask her whether it matters to her that the Governing Body teaches things that are not in the Bible.
Ask her whether it is important to her that the Governing Body always tells the truth to the public.
Then, if it matters to her, help her. If she doesn't care, there is nothing you can do anyway.
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Truth Book from 1974
by Virgogirl indoes anyone remember "the truth that leads to everlasting life" book?
it was blue, and was intended as a six month home study book.
i think it came out in 1974at an assembly with much fanfare and gasping!.
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AuldSoul
Now they have What Does the Bible Really Teach? which doesn't even mention Faithful and Discreet Slave. Have to prep the ground for a time when there isn't an FDS anymore, people won't keep buying that crap indefinitely.
AuldSoul