For 23 years I thought I was in the true religion. Now I have no doubt that for all that time I was in a cult. Looking at things objectively, that is the only reasonable conclusion I can come to. When the elders visited me last week, they tried to reason with me from the wt publications, not the Bible. If anyone questions anything, they are advised to look it up in the watchtower or other publications. The elders act according to society guidelines, all man made rules. How can it be anything other than a cult?
fullofdoubtnow
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Outright Lie in the Reasoning Book
by PaNiCAtTaCk inunder the topic "are jehovahs witnesses a sect or a cult?
the last sentence of the first paragraph says "they do not look to any human, but rather to jesus christ, as their leader.".
if an active witness were to make this exact statement to an elder, he or she would throw up a red flag!
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PO says that "Parents and children have the wrong view on full-time service
by truthseeker ina friend told me that during the watchtower study, the po commented that, "at the district convention this year, the district overseer said that.
the reason they had the drama on timothy, and the dangers of his going on to further his education, was that parents and children today have .
the wrong views on full-time service and higher education.
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I wasn't brought up in the org, and I did go to uni and got an english degree. I wanted to be a teacher, then the jws came along and instead I ended up pioneering and working part time. I didn't regret it at the time, but I do now, very much. I feel so unfulfilled career wise, and I know of others who are still in the org who feel the same way, yet they still try to influence young people to take up full time service at the expense of a decent career. I seriously question their right to do this.
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Anyone for mischief?
by bagpuss ini grew up in east yorkshire and november 4th was mischief night.
we would do all kinds of crazy things like removing peoples gates and hiding them, knocking on doors and running away - you know the kind of thing!
the great thing was we never got into trouble, after all everyone knew it was mischief night and expected to get up next day and find their garden gnomes missing!!!.
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I have always lived in the Midlands, and have never heard of mischief night either. I wouldn't mind starting one though!
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What was the truth when you joined the Org?
by JH in.
when i joined the jw org.
the truth was that we were separating sheep from goats by preaching door to door.. today this isn't so.. name a few truths that were true back then but are lies today.. .
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When I joined in 1983, armageddon was "just around the corner", HAD to come in the 20th century. By the mid 90's it was "right in front of us". Now it's 2005, still no armageddon, and I get the impression not many in my former kh are expecting it any time soon.
I think the "Generation" change in 1995 shook quite a few as well, especially the older ones in our hall, and the gradual relaxation of the blood doctrine had us wondering a bit.
It seems to me the only doctrines they aren't prepared to alter their stance on are the cruel ones, like shunning those who leave.
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Lets be real
by acuragirl inhey everyone lets take a poll.how many of you actually believe in god without a doubt?
whether it be jehovah whoever how many believe there is a supreme being and remember if you believe there is god then you must believe there is satan right??
there is good and evil right?
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fullofdoubtnow
I still believe in God and Satan, I don't see a time when I won't believe. I just don't believe in the watchtower doctrine anymore.
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Were the people I studied with just crack pots?
by caz ini have been thinking about my late mother today, ( it would have been her b'day) and i am feeling a bit upset over the fact that i no longer have a beautiful old wooden table that she gave me before she passed away.
this piece of furniture was one of the first items that she bought when we emmigrated from the uk to aus' and she had bought it 2nd hand.
i loved that table but i got rid of it on the insistance of the 2 women i was studying with as they told me it had demons in it!
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When I was studying I bought a second hand dressing table, and the sister I studied with reckoned she could feel a demonic influence in my home! I was so keen then that I took it outside and burned it. A lot in my kh thought that way, including me at one time. That lunacy is one thing I will definitely not miss.
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Your personal ad, if you were really honest about it...
by DanTheMan inhere's mine:.
title: "i yam what i yam".
i think farting is funny.. when an old ac/dc song comes on the radio, i turn the volume to the max even though it makes the speakers crap out.
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fullofdoubtnow
Being totally honest, here goes:
I am 46, female, no kids, never married, unfulfilled career - wise (I have a degree and work at two menial part - time jobs), I drive a 1996 Volkswagen Golf, no boyfriend at the moment, not had a meaningful relationship since I was 21.
I get depressed sometimes thinking about all the things I have missed out on whilst a jw, but not suicidal.
I love music
I got drunk for the first time in years last night, and it felt great, I will be doing that again soon
I have only one true friend, but hope to make more soon.
I love Indian food, especially balti
I enjoy reading
I have lived a somewhat insular life for the last 25 years, but am looking to branch out a little now
And that's about it for me
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Song for the elders?
by fullofdoubtnow ini wa looking through my friend dedpoets cd collection and came across this song on one of his 10000 maniacs albums.
it's called "don't talk" and we both thought it might be a good song to play to the jws in general and elders in particular, maybe with a few lyrics altered.
don't talk, i will listen, don't talk, you keep your distance, for i'd rather hear some truth tonight than entertain your lies, so take your poison silently.
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fullofdoubtnow
I wa looking through my friend dedpoets cd collection and came across this song on one of his 10000 Maniacs albums. It's called "Don't Talk" and we both thought it might be a good song to play to the jws in general and elders in particular, maybe with a few lyrics altered. Anyway, see what you think:
Don't talk, I will listen, Don't talk, you keep your distance, for I'd rather hear some truth tonight than entertain your lies, so take your poison silently. Let me be, let me close my eyes
Don't talk, I'll believe it, don't talk, listen to me instead. Iknow that if you think of it both long enough and hard, the drink you drown your problems in is the trouble that you're in now.
Talk talk talk about it, you talk as if you care, but when your talk is over tilt that bottle in the air, tossing back more than your share
Don't talk, I can guess it. Don't talk, well now your'e restless and you need somewhere to put the blame for how you feel inside. You'll look for a close and easy mark and you'll see me as fair game.
Tal talk talk about it,talk as if you care, but when your talk is over tilt that bottle in the air, tossing back more than your share. You talk talk talk about it, talk as if you care, I'm marking every word and I can tell this time for sure, your talk is the finest I have heard.
So don't talk, I was sleeping. Don't talk, let me keep on dreaming. How your eyes they glow so fiercely, I can tell that you're inspired by the name that you just chose for me, now what was it? O, never mind it. We will talk, talk, talk about this when your head is clear. We'll discuss this in the morning but until then you may talk but I won't hear.
Maybe substitute bible for bottle, and it seems almost perfect to me, what do you think?
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For former elders: Did having the authority to DF make you feel powerful?
by juni injust curious about this.
do you realize now what the shunning practice does to a person's emotional health?
to shun or isolate a human being is one of if not the worst punishment.
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Speaking as one who has been recently threatened with a jc, I got the impression that the elder who made the threat rather enjoyed making it. He seemed to imply that it would give them the opportunity to straighten me one way or the other. I am however thinking of saving them the trouble of forming one, and I wouldn't attend it anyway. They may think otherwise, but they have no authority over me at all.
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Scales falling from my eyes. (very long!)
by PoppyR inhi everyone, totally new here.
and still associating with jws... have been baptised 23 years, that was at the tender age of 13 when i had absolutely no idea what i was doing.
i have always been considered a rebel...brought up in a family by a single parent, my two brothers are both elders, the younger being a regular pioneer, my sister a regular pioneer and serving in a foreign language congregation.
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fullofdoubtnow
Hi Poppy, welcome! Like you, I have just begun my journey out of the watchtower, although none of my family are in. I have also been baptised 23 years, and am an ex - pioneer I notice you are from Leicester, I am just up the road in Derbyshire. I wish you well. I am glad to be on my way to freedom, but a little scared as well, I know all my friends in the org will shun me now, but I have one really good ex - witness friend who has big shoulders for me to lean on and probably cry on as well when I need to. It is so hard to come to the realisation that something you have built so much of your life around is so false, earth shattering really so take care and all the best for the future
al my love Linda