Posts by CornerStone

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What're the new spins going to be?

by ashitaka in

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i was talking with my wife and surmised that in ten years, there would be 'revision' in thought about blood, and that they would allow transfusions, (a conscience matter), but still forbid the eating of blood.. as to disfellowshipping, when it all hits the fan in the media, there may be a change, some time in the future regarding it.

perhaps they will say to only 'spiritually' disfellowship the person, but not encourage the total shunning of them.. do those two hold any merit?

what other things may change at the wtbts?

CornerStone

I kinda have a different idea about the borg's future spins. The one thing that keeps the wool over the R&F's eyes is not their manipulative use of the Bible, but it is their CREDIBILITY.

Because we are intering a new world of instant communication, lying coverups, (something the borg are talentted in ), can be broadcast within the hour. Those who want to expose deception within the borg 'cube' will have little trouble getting the media to 'run' with it.

I say this because the more people are interconnected the more "shared thoughts" the group will experience. This will force the borg "kings" to use their meetings and said media to counter embarrassing or damageing info.

The more they have to play 'cover up', the more they will lose face with the R&F, and also with potential 'drones'.

Mind you now, the borg masters WANT their religion to be mediocure and obscure, it's the best way to keep maximum control over a group so they can slowly rape the life out of said group. Like leeches. They don't need the 'world' knowing their dirty little secrets. But these mummies can't hold back time, technology, or the TRUTH.

CornerStone

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The plants that JW's love to hate

by Mindchild in

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most people who have any sustained contact with jehovahs witnesses soon discover that this organization is rather tough on certain types of plants.

it is easy to see that small forests have been sacrificed over the decades to make the multiple millions of publications for the evangelical work or that many plants that are commonly used for personal drug use are condemned, but most people dont know about a few lonely plants growing somewhere in california that really irk the witnesses.

these plants have a very interesting story to tell.

CornerStone

Hello AlenF,

Thankyou for your observations. However, because I'm skeptical about most things, including religion and the sciences, I still find my questions that I directed toward Mindchild to be relevent.

As concerning Mindchild's quotes that you highlighted these "possibilities" ring in my mind:

Who is to say that the creosote bush HAD to be in a circular ring IF it survived on a flotilla like journey across open water? Wind, rain, and birds could have broken the bush up. Mabey only a few single plants survived. Mabey it was broken up if and when it washed ashore.

As to the plants age, again, could varying climatic changes have affected it's growth rate?

Believe me, I'm not trying to be difficult. I would honestly like to 'know for sure' if overall, unbiased sience supports or does not support a global flood scenerio. I seems to me that many who make claims about scientific proof have an "agenda". This goes for the Darwin/evolution crowd and is just as true for the creationist group also. You know, 'There IS a god!, There is NO god!'. This seems to drive a lot of peoples emotions. I think there are only a few honest people who are truley devoted to pure scientific truth, for truths sake.

Whoops! I'm starting to ramble. Sorry. Thanks again for your post.

CornerStone

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The plants that JW's love to hate

by Mindchild in

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most people who have any sustained contact with jehovahs witnesses soon discover that this organization is rather tough on certain types of plants.

it is easy to see that small forests have been sacrificed over the decades to make the multiple millions of publications for the evangelical work or that many plants that are commonly used for personal drug use are condemned, but most people dont know about a few lonely plants growing somewhere in california that really irk the witnesses.

these plants have a very interesting story to tell.

CornerStone

Hello Farkel,

Thanks for the input.

Hello Mindchild,

Thanks for the reply. Your points are fair and reasonable. Thanks. Concerning your reply you said:

"I hope that helps you to understand my reasoning but of course this is my own conclusion based upon my own use of truth telling tools that I accept. They may not be right for you but thank you for your input".

Post like yours can only help people interested in truth collect more of those "truth telling tools". As to the org influencing my thinking, they are out to lunch, in space, and way on the other side of the sun as concerns their credibility and truth telling abilities.

CornerStone

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The plants that JW's love to hate

by Mindchild in

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most people who have any sustained contact with jehovahs witnesses soon discover that this organization is rather tough on certain types of plants.

it is easy to see that small forests have been sacrificed over the decades to make the multiple millions of publications for the evangelical work or that many plants that are commonly used for personal drug use are condemned, but most people dont know about a few lonely plants growing somewhere in california that really irk the witnesses.

these plants have a very interesting story to tell.

CornerStone

Hello Mindchild,

I find your post very interesting. If one is into finding out the "truth" about a particular subject then it takes the type of hard work and research I've seen you demostrate in this and other post. Good work!

I am, however, puzzled about a statement you made in this recent post.
You said;

"All these plants and much more solid geological evidence shows no global flood happened in 2370 BC or anywhere near then."

You see, it struck me as odd that based on the plants you have described you are holding it up as a "proof" that a global flood did not happen, other "solid geological evidence" notwithstanding.

Now, personaly, I take the Bible account of a global flood as a matter of faith. And, admittantly, there may not be enough "evidence" that a global flood did not happen that could convince me otherwise.

With that said, such "evidence" needs to be, at the least, reasonable.
Even the faithful must conceed to the Copernicus and Galileo type of evidence, if the faithful are to remain faithful to the ideals of truth, no matter how unsettling.

What I like to know is; Did you use your plant research and try to think of how the Creosote bush COULD have servived a year long global flood?

I ask because of my admitted convictions but also because i realy DO believe the truth is of extreem importance,( which is why I'm such a terible lier )

My concerns were:
1) Could the bush have servived on a small flotilla of wood, dirt, and other plants for a year?

2) Could their have been more than one flotilla?

3) Could very productive years have accellerated the growth and very cold years retard the growth?

4) Could the plant have adappted from a wet enviornment to a dry one over thousandands of years?

5) Are you willing to BELIEVE that these possibilities might be accurate.

Now, I'm no botanist. I'm ignorant about a lot of things, that's why I ask a lot of "stupid" questions, which is what got me into trouble with the borg "elder" drones. I believe, however, that "truth" MUST withstand ANY scrutiny, if it is to remain "truth". This is why I'm questioning the info you have submitted. I do this with a desire to come to a more complete understanding of the subject provided.

I respect your conclusions and enjoy your post.

CornerStone

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A weird concept

by lauralisa in

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i was just reading through the thread started by sirona.

thanks, btw, sirona, for providing the information in the awake magazine about the wtbts' take on the 9-11 tragedy... and for pointing out their crass capitalization of the event.. it occurred to me that i wouldn't pick up an awake or watchtower magazine or accept one if it was offered.

i'm intrigued and interested though if someone takes the time to make info contained in the mags available to illustrate a point or support an argument.. then i wondered:.

CornerStone

Hi Lauralisa,

I think the borg masters would have a lot of trouble defending their Wretchtower and Asleep! magazines on the web due to the world wide scrutiny they would draw.

Every lie, every distortion, every misrepresentation would keep their legal dept. busy 24/7. All the false dates, false doctrines, misquotes and such would be there for immediate attack, and rightly so!

And remember, the borg mindcontrol works BEST one drone at a time. The pile of cow patties they use for truth would not be effective in a mass type conversion. Those who oppose borg lies could access the web and compare truth with wretchtower lies. That is why they don't use TV. Their brand of cult works best ONE DRONE AT A TIME.

CornerStone

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Hi, newbie here

by ChimpGirl in

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hi y'all from chimpgirl in the uk.

have been posting on support board for exjws for a year or so now and someone there pointed me in your direction.

glad i found ya!.

CornerStone

Hello CG,

Welcome to the board!

Interesting story. Please continue you Christian walk. Looking foward to your post.

CornerStone

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WHERE THE CHILDREN PLAY

by OUTLAW in

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in this part of the country,i live in the bible belt(lucky me).anyway i`m driving down the street and there is church after church after church(they all have lots of windows)..ect..in the church parking lots are kids playing,road hockey,skate boards,roller blades,you name it they were playing it.laughing,having a good time,enjoying their lives.apperently the churchs dont mind the neighborhood kids playing in their yards.up the road on the same street is the kingdom hall.no windows,parking lot barecaded off with a chain link fence and large gate.the kids were playing in all the church yards but not this one,they were`nt welcome.i saw a couple of kids come out of the hall but they didnt look like they were having fun.some times life plays out in front of you and the truth is there for all to see.

CornerStone

No looking outside to see the light of day eh? The mind control starts early, from pratically day one! The soul of the child is captured within the four walls of the watchtower's dungeon, restricting any wonder, any imagination.

CornerStone

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bunch of inactives at old-timers party

by wheelwithinwheel in

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last week-end there was a going away party for an old-timer.

i didnt attend but a brother related this interesting anecdote to me.. apparently a newer person who is progressing well in the truth noticed how many strangers were present at the gathering and asked what congregations they were all from.

he was surprised to learn that they all were all local brothers and sisters but werent attending meetings anymore.

CornerStone

All this the product of a FALSE PROPHET!!! Hurry!, Quick! Quit your good paying jobs and forsake higher education! Armageddon is juuuuust around the corner. You want to save yourself and your family don't you? A small sacrfice now for an eternal reward that's juuuuust around the corner. Yeah R&F, you go ahead and do that. "TEE HEE" "SMIRK" "HA HA HA"

Meanwhile, we'll just live out the rest of our grizzled old lives in king-like splendor, having our meals prepared for us, our living chambers kept clean for us, free vacations all around the world, midnight rendezvous with the girls AND boys, a city of slaves at our beck and call, and sombody to wipe our butts for us when we are not able to.

I think the borg masters got the better deal.

CornerStone

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Don't cooperate with their SHUNNING you!

by bluesapphire in

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my dub sister planned this little event to see the lion king.

she invited my two other sisters and their families and purposely left me out.

when my family asked about me, she just shrugged her shoulders -- the little hypocrite couldn't "stumble" them by telling them she was shunning her own sister.

CornerStone

Hello Bluesapphire,

Talk about a Kodak moment! If ONLY you could have videotaped that scene of WARM CHRISTIAN LOVE, watchtower style, you could be rich selling it to the mass media for their cult awareness pieces.

But seriously, you did very good. You did NOT give in to the borg masters control mechanism. You showed them you do not pratice "spiritual abuse". I think this is evidence showing what a cult tool shunning can be. The other witnesses BACKED DOWN in lue of watchtower rules when you refused to give in and play the game. They were many, and you were ONE. Excellent odds!

This also showed that the conviction of who you are was a hundred times more powerful than the flimsy control mechanism of shunning instilled in them.

CornerStone

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One JW response to WT/UN

by CatholicGuy in

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i've been able to maintain contact with a jw friend--even though i've been out of the organization for over 20 years.

i brought up the un subject with him and got this interesting reply.

my friend is an elder now and former bethelite:.

CornerStone

The orgs HYPOCRISY exist because they know, THEY KNOW they would have ANYBODY disfellowshipped who publicly acknowledged their support of the United Nations and its charter!

I believe the borg masters have such hate, such contempt for the R&F. This is why they keep actions like their UN involvement a secret because they don't TRUST their flock to follow them.

This is true because in Jesus parable the sheep hear the true shepherds voice and follow him where ever he goes. They wont follow a strangers voice and will run from a stranger because they don't recognize the true shepherds voice.

In light of this the borg masters HAVE to use cunning and trickery to keep it's flock "following" them. A million and one rules, constantly changing doctrines disguised as "new light", and secretly associating with and "touching" the unclean thing (UN affiliation) while openly condeming others for doing the same.

They KNOW their hands are dirty from their worldly actions. They just keep betting on their many "good works" to get them into heaven.

Didn't they learn anything from the lesson of the Pharisees?

CornerStone