we have seen many times over the years where jurys make their judgements based on emotions and not on the rule of law or the facts.
-the menendez brothers after killing their parents were found not guilty by the jury.
being asked why they decided the case that way the reason given was "those boys are so handsome and now they don't even have a mother.
Remember that the lawyers still would have to agree on which "pro" jurors they will have at their trials. I understand about the constitution and the jury of peers. However this would still be a jury of peers in that the jurors would still be private citizens. I know very few folks that like jury duty and it is a hassle for the court system to set them up. I also think there needs to be more disernment there.
Yet we could probably use more intelligence in all areas of government.
we have seen many times over the years where jurys make their judgements based on emotions and not on the rule of law or the facts.
-the menendez brothers after killing their parents were found not guilty by the jury.
being asked why they decided the case that way the reason given was "those boys are so handsome and now they don't even have a mother.
We have seen many times over the years where jurys make their judgements based on emotions and not on the rule of law or the facts.
-The Menendez brothers after killing their parents were found not guilty by the jury. Being asked why they decided the case that way the reason given was "Those boys are so handsome and now they don't even have a mother."
-The many crimanils that are relased because they "Found Religion/God"
I would support professional jurys
What are your thoughts?
Thanks
just wondering.
with watching the world news and all and seeing how close the gt is.
wondering, is it too late to go to meetings with grandma again?
Please be assured we are trying to help, as most of us have been in your shoes in some form or another. The "unforgivable sin" would be to speak agingt the Holy Spirit (Matt. 12:31-32).
Look at it this way if you are truly concerned weather or not you have committed the unforgivable sin, then you have not done it. Ynot hit the nail on the head, build your relationship with Jehovah and Jesus, that is what is important. If you really believe the WT is the way to g then far be it for me to stop you from returning, all I ask is that you do it for the right reason, that you love God, not because you are afraid of the end. My friend you could die in a car accedent today (I hope that never happens) so whather "the end" is close or 100 years from now makes no difference.
Jehovah is said to be a loving God, and a loving God would want you to be happy, and to serve him out of love not out of fear of being distroyed.
Please think about what everyone says here, you don't have to believe it all but again remember we are trying to help. Take care
were you one of those deemed "qualifed for this privilege":??
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I was put in charge of the suond system as I have my own PA etc. After a few years the 2 congregations (a shared hall) wanted to upgrade to a newer wierless system. I have many contacts and was able to get an awesome quote for a great quality system. It was 5 Shure SM58 mics,(2 roving and three on the platform), 5 Nady transmitters and recievers. The dealer was going to give it to us for cost since this was for a church. Well it turns out that another brother had mentioned that he could get a better system for less. It turned out that this guy sold this stuff so he was padding his own pockets. They went with his and as you probably guessed they paid $450.00 more for a Telex system with 3 mics. I told them they made a mistake and was told that I should not second guess Jehovah's dirrection. Like God gives a rats butt what mics you use.
After the new mics were installed the first WT mtg was at the other congregation,where the brother who sold the mics attended. Well they were having problems and called me at home saying that I had to come and fix the problem. I told them it was easy, just send the crapy system back and get the one i arrainged for and the problem would be fixed. No that did not go over to well. Well I was told that it was my responsibility to fix this as I know sound systems. One elder even asked "What was I going to say to Jehovah when he asks me why I did not help the congregation?" I just said that I would ask him why he dirrected the congregation to buy a crappy system in the first place. Yes I went and got the system working, as our WT study was 3hrs.later, I just wated untill till then. Of course the system never sounded as good as even the older hard wired system but hey it was Jehoveh's choice.
my wife had a bible study with the sister and her daughter actually yesterday evening (i am guessing that the daughter needed some time), i was in the living room at the time, and i will post the notes from this conversation later this evening (at work now, don't have them here).
my wife had wanted to learn how to read the bible from them, but they of course manipulated her to a book study within two weeks!.
at the end of this bible study (they started the bible teach book, got to paragraph 13 in chapter one) the sister asked my wife if i still wanted to talk to her husband on wednesday, i said i would be very interested, but i want my wife and i to both be involved in the discussions (want to have her hear what we are talking about, firstly if i can ask an interesting question, and secondly i want her to see i am not a raging apostate to the gentleman - and he is a pretty nice guy).. .
As has been said be polite but you can still be firm. They came to you to answer your questions and to prove to you that they are Gods chosen religion. The burden is on them to prove to you what they say, it is not in you to believe everthing they say. Also you and your wife can and should insist on using the Bible only. Just politly tell them that if they go through the Bible Teach, or any other book, then they are studing that book not the Bible, and you want to study the Bible.
Keep them on Michael, don't let them change the subject. It will be difficult as that is all they know how to do. They make a point and move on, they don't want you to think about it, just accept it - after all they are there to teach you. That is their mind set.
how does that kingdom malady go?
"...and the lame will leap just like the hart...?.
once again, the "wicked old world" is accomplishing what jesus, sitting invisibly on a throne and playing "world of warcraft" for going on a century, has not done:.
I am truly amazed at what so many people can think up and then create. The human mind is just incredible. And I am excited to see what the future holds!
i am so irritated.
the pioneer who was giving me bible study mailed me the public version of watchtower and awake!
(i'm not doing the bs anymore) this got me thinking... why is more emphasis placed on hours in the ministry and "product placement" than conversion??
As we read in post after post, the WT is a publishing company. They sell their wears, well the r&f sell their wears for them. It is a numbers game - if you talk to 100 people maybe 5% will listen, and then about 2% of those will buy. So we don't spend to much time at the doors because we need the number of "chances for a sale" to be up. Peoples eternal salvation that is an afterthought - if it is a thought at all.
i had one that singled me out on a talk.
i was supposedly working on warmth and enthusiasm, which they should reasonably have known i could not do properly without hope with the opposite sex (which they blew on the promise of).
this idiot gave me a w on that point, after i had previously been marked i on the same point (and this idiot was not known for giving w's first and asking questions later--at least then i could have understood that he was just picky).. this same hounder also continually dallied at the kingdumb hell after promising me rides back and forth.
I had a bunch of elders that were kooks. I can't say for sure that they had "disorders" but they were kooks. I am an entertainer and I have never had a problem in front of an audience, and I would always do well in the school. My father would tell me I do too much research for a school part and that all I needed to do was work on the point in the school guide book not the material. Anyway our school overseer, our third or fourth since I started in the school, would always tear my presentations apart and then "reluctantly" move me to the next point. So the night I was to work on eye contact, I get up and give my presentation and he just ripps me saying that I did a lousy job, yes he used that term, saying I did not make eye contact at all. There were gasps from the congregation and even some comments saying I made a lot of eye contact, this too was during my "public rebuke." So I was told to repeat that point and was assigned another talk about two weeks later. I went up to do my part and I did not take a single note, book, or Bible with me. I just stood there and staired right at this guy, right in hie eyes. I gave my part, ended it on time and sat down. As I sat, the entire congregation was on edge waiting for my "council." Well the PO got up for my review and said I did a fantastic job. I don't know if the school overseer was not allowed or if he did not want to do it but either way he did not look at or speak to me for weeks.
while doing some job hunting, i came across an ad for a cleaning business called "paradise cleaning" or something like that.
i'd think it's a 99% chance that the company is a bunch of jws.
what are some of the goofy names you've seen for jw's home businesses?
I agree with that, I can't count how many companies with those names.
New World ...., Bethel ...., Kingdom ...., it is to funny.
please take a quick glance at the following as i am in final preparations for sitting in with my wife on her bs this evening...the sister is bringing along her husband, the po from the congregation to answer some of my questions.
i know there will not be time to get to all of this, but is any of it extremely good or extremely worthless to ask.
i need to remember to keep calm, respectful, and realize that i can not attack, there may be times when i need to ask for more time.
Wow you have a lot here and you are correct you will not be able to go over it all tonight. However if the PO sees this list he will try and answer everything in one sitting but he will expect you to accept everything he says without question. He will expect you to be so impressed with his knowledge that you must accept it.
You must not talk about more that two topics. Michael - Jesus is a very good one to start with. You seem to have a good grasp on the scriptures with this so I would start there. Do not let him rush through his explanations/answers. He will try and go fast so don't let him. When he starts to jump from scripture to scripture stop him and say "No lets discuss this scripture first, in it's context." This will distrube him and he may reply - It has to be in the context of the Bible, or something like that. Just say that each writer wrote in context of their own book, at the time of the writing they did not have the other books to "Get in context with."
Another thing they do quite often is when you don't see things their way they will sort of smile and chuckle as if to say you are so below me. It is meant to be very condescending, after you have questions and they alone have the answers. When this happens call him on it this is how I replied when they did it to me; "This is not funny, I find no humor in this. You claim my eternal salvation is involved and you laugh because I do agree with what you are saying. Maybe it is you that doesn't fully understand, after all you claim to have the answers yet you haven't convinced me. And with your condescending attitued you obviously think I am below you, so use your superrior knowledge and convence me." It changed the entier mood yes but it did become more respectful and it put them on the defencive, even though they were there to "teach" me.
Also just to bring in your question - Could a person using the Bible ever come to accurate knowledge and gain salvation? (I know you worded yours a bit differently)
Insist that you use the Bible only, he will object but insist on it. Everytime he tries to open another book insist again. If he persists, and he will, ask your question. Then press him on it. He will try and pull a scripture on you about the Etheopion eunic reading some scriptuers and I believe it was Peter heard and asked if he understood what he was reading. The responce was no I need a teacher. They think that answers the question. However, just say "That is fine but why would the Eunic not understand what he was reading - becaues he was not a Jew." Then say - did Peter use a WT or other publication or did he use only the scriptures the Eunic was reading? Plus after the "teaching" was done the Eunic was babtized immediately. He did not have to study other publications fir a long time and he did not have to answer 100 or more questions.
At the point ask your question again a bit differently - "Can a person using only the Bible alone ever come to the same conclusions as the JW teaches?" This puts then in a corner becaues if they say no then that opens up a load of questions about the Bibles authority that I am sure you can think of. If they say yes the you can easily insist on using the Bible only in your discussion.
A bit long I know, I hope it helps a little. Good luck, please let us know how it goes.
