But couldn't we create circular reasoning for anything in that case? It's nicely constructed but does it stand up to scrutiny? Are your questions are set up to lead to circular reasoning hence giving it a predetermined meaning? Are your questions valid? I'm only asking so that I can be assured of the validity in your flow chart so that I'll have confidence to use it.
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Watchtower Paradoxes
by jwfacts ina couple of weeks ago there was a post about watchtower circular reasoning, or paradoxes.
it fits very well with an article i wrote so i have included a couple of examples.
thanks to whoever posted the idea and sorry that i can't remember who it was.. .
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Wow~ click on this topic it's important!
by beautifulisfree inso the other day my family and i were surfing the net...and came upon this and other websites about the use of subliminal messages in the j.w.
books and magazines.
the web sight below is one of the better ones and creepy ones!!
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It's BS. Mirror images, come on. You can manipulate these drawings and create a beautiful woman as well as a demon.
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This Past Sunday My Wife Took Me To The Elders!
by enlightenedcynic inearly sunday morning, around 1:30 a.m., my wife wakes me and says that she can't sleep and needs to talk with me.
i say ok and she proceeds to tell me that she wants a seperation.
i was hurt, but not shocked, because our relationship is not that close at this point after 14 yrs of marriage.
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I wouldn't give up on this marriage just yet. I would do my best to enlighten her on the real situation regarding the Org. The best way to do this is to keep insisting and proving to her that they are false prophets. If she has the truth then she should not be afraid of giving you a chance to show her how you have come to these conclusion.
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Guantanamo Bay Suicides - a PR Move
by eyeslice inquote from bbc website .
a top us official has described the suicides of three detainees at the us base at guantanamo bay, cuba, as a "good pr move to draw attention".
colleen graffy told the bbc the deaths were part of a strategy and "a tactic to further the jihadi cause", but taking their own lives was unnecessary.
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I don't understand why people get so emotive about suicide bombers. They blow people up so do tanks and air to surface missles. Pilots that don't know who they are killing including wiping out wedding parties and tractor trailers loaded with children are seen as chisel jawed, slicked back blonde hair heros whilst suicide bombers are just deranged darkies.
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Are you embarrassed?
by desib77 indoes anyone else find themselves embarrassed about their jw past?
i find that when people that know what i used to be ask me about it i am completely embarrassed by how foolish their beliefs sound especially things like the blood issue.
i can't stand when someone will say "why did you believe such and such....?
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No, not embarrassed. In fact sometimes I go out of my way to tell people that I used to be just to see their reaction. What surprises me is that I hardly get a reaction. Which maybe means are as different as they think they are.
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It's definitely not God's word. If it was it would not be so cryptic and open to interpretation.
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Secularism vs Religion: Which can give society the best all round guide?
by Spectrum ini was always of the view that, without christianity vis a vis secularism to set some important ground rules that people are willing to abide by be it for the love of christ or fear of god's vengence, society would break down like soddom and gomorah and rome.
that the rate of family break down would reach a threshold beyond which, society would not be sustainable as a sane unit in other words a disastrous scenario would ensue.
the problem with this hypothesis is, i don't know of any secular societies to make my comparison with.
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slimboyfat,
"what gives a better picture of reality and objective truth - a secular outlook or a religious one."
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Secularism vs Religion: Which can give society the best all round guide?
by Spectrum ini was always of the view that, without christianity vis a vis secularism to set some important ground rules that people are willing to abide by be it for the love of christ or fear of god's vengence, society would break down like soddom and gomorah and rome.
that the rate of family break down would reach a threshold beyond which, society would not be sustainable as a sane unit in other words a disastrous scenario would ensue.
the problem with this hypothesis is, i don't know of any secular societies to make my comparison with.
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Terry,
"Discard whatever preconceptions you may have about that society. It has become a cliche or trope. It was around for over a thousand years. What held it together was a strong government and clear policies on how to deal with dangers to itself. This society was heterogenous religiously and in a secular admixture."
Are you sure about this? I thought the Romans destroyed what they didn't understand. I don't think diversity was their strong point. If it didn't work for the greater good of Rome it was destroyed.
"A strong central government with tolerance for a variety of belief systems is the most effective context for a successful society of any kind."
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Secularism vs Religion: Which can give society the best all round guide?
by Spectrum ini was always of the view that, without christianity vis a vis secularism to set some important ground rules that people are willing to abide by be it for the love of christ or fear of god's vengence, society would break down like soddom and gomorah and rome.
that the rate of family break down would reach a threshold beyond which, society would not be sustainable as a sane unit in other words a disastrous scenario would ensue.
the problem with this hypothesis is, i don't know of any secular societies to make my comparison with.
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Narkissos
" In a full-fledged secular society you would just have "secular conservatives" (there are already many of them)."
Who?
"Historically religious diversity helped the secular state conquer its legitimity over the dominant religion (so the French Protestants, before, during and after the Revolution, against the Catholic church). Afaik the deism of the founding Fathers of America also seems to have been an original blend of Christianity and secularism, what some may now be losing sight of."
This is a very interesting point. Last night I was watching a documentary on the Romans. The narrator goes a long way to turn on its head the perception that the Romans were a civilised bunch whilst everybody else including the Greeks were the actual barbarians ( thought the Greeks coined that phrase for the Slavs and saxons). Anyway, last nights installment was about the Parthians whom the Romans failed to conquer. It turns out that the Parthians had very advanced views on cultural and religious intermingling, they saw this as the way forward as there would be a bigger pool of ideas to draw from and advance. And it worked, they developed warfare and strategy that the invincible Romans were no match for. I was very impressed and the same time felt conned by our school text books.
I don't know which was the civilising factor for the Parthians though. Did mesopotamian religion have a moral framework like christianity? Guessing I'd say the Parthians advanced social structure came directly from secularism as I don't see how bowing to a stone statue can add to the quality of society unless it is a binding rallying symbol that gives gel to society ie all batting for the same side. But like I've said the Parthians didn't see it that way. So what's left? -
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A BIG Happy Birthday to our very own 06-06-06 Girl--SPARKPLUG
by Merry Magdalene in.
you're beautiful, you're brilliant, you're a blessing to all of us, and i'm wishing you the best birthday ever!!!!!!!.
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Happy birthday and best wishes!!!!
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