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  Please help me find a scripture

  by FlyingHighNow in

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  2. bible

  does anyone know which scripture says something like:.

  it is better to be doing good and slapped than it is to be sinning and slapped..

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  alanv

  Hey fokyc Any chance of a scan of the September 2010 Kindom Ministry. I always like to have a look at it when it is posted. That way I know what my JW relatives are being told. Thanks
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  How to have "The Talk" with my nephew

  by serenitynow! in

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  2. friends

  not sex.

  my sister is taking care of the sex and condoms talk, thank goodness.. my only nephew (and likely the closest i will get to having a kid) turns 16 next month.

  his mom is inactive, doesn't know if she is going back.

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  alanv

  Not easy but it could just save him from a life dedicated to the watchtower society.

  I did it the wrong way. I bombarded my son who was about 22 with everything I new was wrong with the society. Unfortunately the witnesses had already got to him and warned him there would be strong opposition to him becoming a witness.

  The best advice now I think is really what you said. Find out what he thinks and feels about the religion. He may never have thought for instance that the love that is shown is totally conditional on him believing all that he is told by the org. That may strike a cord.

  Anyway good luck and keep us informed how things are going.
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  Conscious Class vs. Fading...

  by dssynergy in

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  2. beliefs

  as i have stated a number of times - i'm really struggling.

  i would like more than anything just to fade away and life my life.

  however, i am not willing to give up my family, specifically my nephew who needs me to stick around.

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  I think once you have accepted that what they are teaching is wrong, I personally feel, that is the time to stop attending meetings and putting in a service report. Otherwise your whole life is living a lie. I can certainly understand why fading could be a good option as that is what I did as I still had family in. If you make it formal by dsisassociating yourself, you will almost certainly be shunned by friends and family in the org.

  With fading you get the best of both worlds you have your freedom to start living your life again and you can still have contact with friends and family.

  It's not easy but so worth the effort. I wish you well.
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  How Prophecy Succeeds: Jehovah's Witnesses and Prophetic Speculation

  by slimboyfat in

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  2. friends

  what do you make of this recent article by george chryssides?.

  http://www.equinoxjournals.com/ijsnr/article/viewfile/8147/pdf.

  apparently the prophetic failure of jehovah's witnesses has been overdone by opponents.

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  alanv

  It really does not matter what any apolagist says. Many of us lived through all the 1975 time and know exactly what happened and what was said.

  As has been said before, they only change something when it has clearly failed and is no longer tenable.
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  Can a Baptist be an Apostate?

  by cameo-d in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i never even heard of an "apostate" until a jw called me that.....and i'm not even a jw!.

  anyway, i am wondering if "apostate" is a term exclusive to cult groups only, like jws, mormons, and scientologists.

  i have never heard of a methodist or baptist apostate, but surely, there must be such a thing.. i have seen complaints where "apostate" xtians say they were kicked off websites that promote "mainstream xianity" or denominational religions, so there can never really be any deep discussions or debates on those sites.

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  Many JWs can rightly be called apostates, as many of them have left another religion to join the witnesses.
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  Is There (Was There Ever) an Anglo American Dual World Power?

  by BluesBrother in

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  2. beliefs

  if you live in the u s a or the united kingdom, this is how the wt society views your government, your nation :-.

  yes, as an ugly, evil terrifying beast !

  this is based on the book of revelation chapter 13 , quoted as follows in the revelation climax book.

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  Thanks for that BB. That is a really good point. I've never really thought about it properly. The same goes for the UN which is actually meant to be the world power now I believe, the 8th one. Not much power there. If a nation like U S wants to do something it won't change it's mind just because the U N does not like it. Some world power.
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  Malawi vs Mexico vs Oath of Allegiance - Lastest article needs proof reading

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have just completed an article that compares the situation of malawi, mexico and the oath of allegiance.

  it is based on franz's chapter double standards and jehovahs witnesses and national oaths of allegiance by marvin shilmer.. http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/malawi-mexico-oath-allegiance.php.

  if you notice any errors, please let me know.. .

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  Nancy, that is exactly the reason so many of us try to help witnesses to get out of it. They think we should just walk away from it, but I need to expose this awful religion whenever I can.
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  My shameful reaction to the BBC Panorama...

  by highdose in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i just watched the bbc panorama program about jw's and their child abuse problems on you tube.. i havn't seen it since it was first aired.

  i was watching it and recalling what my reaction was when i saw it for the first time as a commited devout jw.. before the program aired the congregation called a extrodinary meeting in which a letter was read out from bethal.

  they seemed to back up every point they made by a scripture read out by another brother also on the platform.

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  My eldest son thought how terrible it was as well. Two years later he had joined up. He conveniently forgot what he had seen.

  I think one of the best responses would be to ask them if it was ful lof lies don't you think the societies legal dept. would have dealt with it.

  I know in the U K the Panarame programme where it was aired is regarded as a very, very honest and factual programme.

  I didn't know the society said that they wouldn't let the society have their say on the programme.

  I know the reporter went out of her way after the programme to say that they would not agree to be on camera or give an interview.
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  An Old Welcome Letter To Pioneers

  by Bangalore in

  1. watchtower
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  http://bp3.blogger.com/_8yi_e9p8hwg/sdukmmvg1ai/aaaaaaaacgu/5zlisgyfxzy/s1600-h/sta076.jpg.

  http://bp3.blogger.com/_8yi_e9p8hwg/sdukxmvg1zi/aaaaaaaacgm/ddtxi8_iddc/s1600-h/sta077.jpg.

  bangalore.

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  alanv

  When I was a pioneer the hour requirement was 1200 hours a year. And yes you spend so much time going through all the motions of the religion that you totally loose your own identity. Everything revolves round the organisation
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  Question for Billy The Ex-Bethelite and others who had forgone college sometime ago.

  by garyneal in

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  2. friends

  i was talking with my wife today about college and i asked her about why the society makes such a big deal about witnesses not going to college.

  in typical dub fashion, my wife tells me that they do not discourage college, but they do not encourage it either.

  instead, they encourage placing kingdom interests first.. now i told her about you (billy) and how you were at bethel and are now starting college at the age of 40 (i think that is correct).

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  alanv

  In 1968 I was at college studying a printing course. However more and more was being said about there being no point in building a carear in this system as it will soon be destroyed. Particularly the young people were encouraged to pioneer. So that is what my best friend and I did. I gave up my college and pionered. To do that I had to give up being an apprentice as well but felt there was no point doing that if it would all end soon.

  Boy was I taken in.