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  What was it that first got you thinking that the Society was WRONG in how they INTERPRET the BIBLE?

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

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  what was it that first got you thinking that the society was wrong in how they interpret the bible?.

  for me personally, it was the way they always downgrade jesus to be an angel and are promoting the governing body in his place.. also when the society taught that jesus was abaddon/apollyon the fallen angel in revelation..

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  It was when we were studying the Revelation book and the society had the arrogance to apply just about everything in the book to themselves
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  'OKM_September_2010_for_Britain_OCRd.pdf'

  by fokyc in

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  by request!.

  http://www.box.net/shared/38lh829sjf.

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  StAnn It includes Wales, Scotland and Nothern Ireland as far as I know and is listed under Britain in the worldwide report. For years now there has been no real increase at all in Britain and that also applies to many European countriies.
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  'OKM_September_2010_for_Britain_OCRd.pdf'

  by fokyc in

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  by request!.

  http://www.box.net/shared/38lh829sjf.

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  Thanks very much for that focyc. I will read it properly later whe I have more time. It's amazing how each month they just go over old ground again and again. Presumably as more and more witnesses do their own thing instead of listening to 'mother'
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  Please help me find a scripture

  by FlyingHighNow in

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  does anyone know which scripture says something like:.

  it is better to be doing good and slapped than it is to be sinning and slapped..

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  Hey fokyc Any chance of a scan of the September 2010 Kindom Ministry. I always like to have a look at it when it is posted. That way I know what my JW relatives are being told. Thanks
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  How to have "The Talk" with my nephew

  by serenitynow! in

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  not sex.

  my sister is taking care of the sex and condoms talk, thank goodness.. my only nephew (and likely the closest i will get to having a kid) turns 16 next month.

  his mom is inactive, doesn't know if she is going back.

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  Not easy but it could just save him from a life dedicated to the watchtower society.

  I did it the wrong way. I bombarded my son who was about 22 with everything I new was wrong with the society. Unfortunately the witnesses had already got to him and warned him there would be strong opposition to him becoming a witness.

  The best advice now I think is really what you said. Find out what he thinks and feels about the religion. He may never have thought for instance that the love that is shown is totally conditional on him believing all that he is told by the org. That may strike a cord.

  Anyway good luck and keep us informed how things are going.
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  Conscious Class vs. Fading...

  by dssynergy in

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  as i have stated a number of times - i'm really struggling.

  i would like more than anything just to fade away and life my life.

  however, i am not willing to give up my family, specifically my nephew who needs me to stick around.

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  I think once you have accepted that what they are teaching is wrong, I personally feel, that is the time to stop attending meetings and putting in a service report. Otherwise your whole life is living a lie. I can certainly understand why fading could be a good option as that is what I did as I still had family in. If you make it formal by dsisassociating yourself, you will almost certainly be shunned by friends and family in the org.

  With fading you get the best of both worlds you have your freedom to start living your life again and you can still have contact with friends and family.

  It's not easy but so worth the effort. I wish you well.
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  How Prophecy Succeeds: Jehovah's Witnesses and Prophetic Speculation

  by slimboyfat in

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  what do you make of this recent article by george chryssides?.

  http://www.equinoxjournals.com/ijsnr/article/viewfile/8147/pdf.

  apparently the prophetic failure of jehovah's witnesses has been overdone by opponents.

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  It really does not matter what any apolagist says. Many of us lived through all the 1975 time and know exactly what happened and what was said.

  As has been said before, they only change something when it has clearly failed and is no longer tenable.
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  Can a Baptist be an Apostate?

  by cameo-d in

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  i never even heard of an "apostate" until a jw called me that.....and i'm not even a jw!.

  anyway, i am wondering if "apostate" is a term exclusive to cult groups only, like jws, mormons, and scientologists.

  i have never heard of a methodist or baptist apostate, but surely, there must be such a thing.. i have seen complaints where "apostate" xtians say they were kicked off websites that promote "mainstream xianity" or denominational religions, so there can never really be any deep discussions or debates on those sites.

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  Many JWs can rightly be called apostates, as many of them have left another religion to join the witnesses.
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  Is There (Was There Ever) an Anglo American Dual World Power?

  by BluesBrother in

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  if you live in the u s a or the united kingdom, this is how the wt society views your government, your nation :-.

  yes, as an ugly, evil terrifying beast !

  this is based on the book of revelation chapter 13 , quoted as follows in the revelation climax book.

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  Thanks for that BB. That is a really good point. I've never really thought about it properly. The same goes for the UN which is actually meant to be the world power now I believe, the 8th one. Not much power there. If a nation like U S wants to do something it won't change it's mind just because the U N does not like it. Some world power.
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  Malawi vs Mexico vs Oath of Allegiance - Lastest article needs proof reading

  by jwfacts in

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  i have just completed an article that compares the situation of malawi, mexico and the oath of allegiance.

  it is based on franz's chapter double standards and jehovahs witnesses and national oaths of allegiance by marvin shilmer.. http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/malawi-mexico-oath-allegiance.php.

  if you notice any errors, please let me know.. .

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  Nancy, that is exactly the reason so many of us try to help witnesses to get out of it. They think we should just walk away from it, but I need to expose this awful religion whenever I can.