Posts by alanv

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Questions for former elders on Do Not Call

by Kristina1972 in

what is the procedure for requesting to be on the do not call list.

what happens when someone requests to be on the do not call list?.

does a letter need to be sent each year?.

alanv

Since I left 15 years ago, I had not been called on, even though I did not formally ask to be put on the do not call list. This year someone did call as they new my JWQ son and wanted to meet his dad. We had a good chat, but very soon she was trying to get away when she realized there was no chance of a conversion.

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I genuinely love them

by MsGrowingGirl20 in

i love these people so much!

we had kh cleaning last weekend for the memorial and it felt just like old time and brought back soo many memories...i share my struggles, my joys ...everything with my bros and sis... they are my friends...i really truly do love them...how can i leave?

that feeling just made me feel like abandoning all this reasarch and go on living blindly .

alanv

I too used to love the brothers and sisters, that is until I started questioning some of the views of the governing body. Once I started doing that all love towards me was immediately stopped and a very cold feeling existed between me and my so called friends. Because I could no longer agree with what I had previously been taught my close JW friends dropped me like a brick.

The love shown by JWs, is totally conditional on you obeying everything the governing body say.

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United Nations mentioned in Watchtower publications

by Magi in

hi everyone, i have some questions for anyone that can answer.

i've been doing some research in the whole united nations scandal with the watchtower organization.

and i am wondering what the society's view on the un is as of late.

alanv

If for no other reason it would help in reaching into new territories if the U N were on board. Exactly the reason many people suck up to people or nations in power. It's all about how they can use that friendship to further their own agenda.

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JW conman pretended to be a successful butcher to commit a £3.3million tax fraud

by sizemik in

they teach them well in wt land .

walter meaty: fraudster butcher in 3.3million tax con.

gary turner convinced people he ran a meat wholesalers famous for its sausage rolls but the firm had been bust for 14 years.. his walter mitty-type fantasy was in fact a ruse to rip off the taxpayer by continuing to claim vast sums of vat from hmrc on the basis he was still in charge of a going concern.. and the cash he gained funded a luxury lifestyle.. when turners detached house was raided, revenue officers found five luxury cars with personalised number plates and a watch collection worth more than 35,000, including two rolexes valued at 17,420.. a 4,600 juke box and three guitars costing 2,000 were also discovered.. it also emerged he spent 7,000 on family holidays to spain and used more taxpayer money to build a new house with a top of the range kitchen and bathroom as well as two other properties.. turner, 47 a jehovahs witness, was declaring huge profits from his non-existent business and claiming back tens of thousands of pounds every year.. .

alanv

I expect he learnt his tax evasion from his mother organisation. They managed to get out of paying tax on their literature some time ago.

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Crisis of Conscience Chapter 6: Double Standards

by Celestial in

the pdf of crisis of conscience is available online.

i jumped to chapter 6, double standards and examined the situation regarding jehovah's witnesses position in malawi and the mandatory requirement to buy a malawi congress party (mcp) card.

i may have missed something, but it should be glaringly obvious what took place here.

alanv

As regards Malawi, the society over the years showed how joining any political party was a no no. Individuals have been disfellowshipped in the past for doung just that. So the Malawian witnesses new the societies view. They did not need to be told what to do.

It is like a child being taught right from wrong. The child does not need to check with the parent on every right or wrong decision they have to make in the future.

What do you think would have happened to witnesses who actually bought a membershiop card? Would they be viewed as witnesses in good standing, because their consciences allowed them to buy the card?

No they would not. Witnesses all over the world have to agree to follow the societies unique teachings and doctrines. If they do not, they can no longer call themselves JWs. The Malawi witnesses new the governing bodies view on this and they went along with it.

If the society changed their stance on this, then so would witnesses around the world. They all follow the lead of the governing body, whether they fully agree with it or not.

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Newspaper article in Sydney Sunday paper about ex-jw poisoning elder

by etna in

it was in the sunday telegragh on page 18 "a murder attempt in chuch".

someone that was disfellowshiped has been trying to poison an elder and his family in adelaide.

i certainly don't agree with this at all, but i do understand this man doing something like this.

alanv

Certainly anyone writing should ensure they do not condone the man for trying to poison the elder and his family. Two wrongs do not make a right.

There are many people in the world that have suffered at the hands of others, that does not mean they should take the law into their own hands.

There are other legal ways that this person can use to expose what has happened to them.

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Transplants and blood question

by WildeLover in

the understanding of the society was that transplants were a conscience matter from 1967 til 1973?

then were forbidden from 1973 til 1981?.

however was it possible to have a transplant without any blood transfusions?

alanv

Over the years countless witnesses have died because the society had decided that transplants, vaccinations and any type of blood transfusion was wrong.

Thankfully most of that has changed now but that will not help the thousands that have died through misinformation.

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It makes no sense whatsoever that a" CREATOR" would only communicate with a minority of the population then put the onus on them to convey this life saving message to the WHOLE wide world

by smiddy in

i now find it idiotic that i could ever beleive the bible to be the inspired word of god.....,throughout the bible "god"has only dealt with a few of his favoured spokespersons to deliver his messages to a minority populace.individuals at first,..... then, patriarchs,nomads,a small nation,ignoring all other nations that had sprung up.......,abandoning his chosen nation,sending his "son"to a small nation, only giving them his pearls of wisdom,much of what was not even recorded for prosperity and remember he never wrote a word,it was left up to other imperfect humans to record what he was supposed to have said,just a smidgen......,again ignoring the bulk of humankind keeping them in ignorance of his plan for universal salvation,leaving it all up to imperfect humans to spread this message of salvation, whom he has already condemned for their sinfullness and disobedience.i just find it so unbeleivable.

in the 6000 years of recorded history only a fraction of the earths population,maybe less than a third have ever heard of the god of the bible, or his so called plan to redeem humankind ,thats millions and millions of people.

( india,arabic,afghanistan,pakistan etc.etc.).

alanv

When pressed JWs have to admit at least half the world has never ever heard the JW message.

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Prediction in "Bible Teach" book is already a false prophecy

by hamsterbait in

they warn the person actually reading the book that they should heed their warnings of armageddon, as it "will come in your lifetime".

since they now pin it on the life of anybody who reads the book, only one of those who read it needs to die to prove them wrong.. if i die it didnt come in my lifetime neither!

don t these clowns really think about some of the stuff they print?.

alanv

The sheep are constantly programmed for the society to change things as light increases. They would not bat an eyelid if that quote was pointed out to them.

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KM PDF

by naeuca in

i'm trying to get hold of km's from the period from 1970 to 2009 and 2011. would anyone happen to have these in pdf that you can kindly send me please?.

thanks so much in advance!!.

naeuca.

alanv

They are also available on the societies 2011 Watchtower library CD, but only as single copies. Depends what you want them for.